High Definition Props and Textures - Discussion thread

[toxicpiano]

The only problem I see with the high res stuff is unless everyone is planning to remake every single texture ever and every single prop ever, high res stuff will look out of place with the old stuff (I know this is a very cynical view but I quite like consistency). This is most definitely a wonderful discovery though.

[z]

I personally take the optimistic view and prefer to think that as soon as HD textures and props start to become common, people will become motivated to upgrade the remaining ones.  I think that this would be especially true of props and textures that they created themselves. 

[SimFox]

Some of the methods suggested here will not work, as they are incompatible with the standard BAT export procedure. Of course there is always the manual way, but that's more of the play in itself then a working solution.

I, just like Wouanagaine  see the realistic way for this through altering Max scripts.
There are few points here I would like to address and I'll do it later tonight when I'll have more time. But it is doable.

I remember I saw somewhere some discussion of 512x512 textures. Could anyone tell me what are the limitations for this method?

[wouanagaine]

I remember I saw somewhere some discussion of 512x512 textures. Could anyone tell me what are the limitations for this method?

It seems that people using software rendering mode in SC4 won't be able to load 512x512 textures

[buddybud]

I reread both posts and I think that IS what buddybud was talking about.

correct...

I remember I saw somewhere some discussion of 512x512 textures. Could anyone tell me what are the limitations for this method?

512x512 texture worked but suffered from alot of compression. You start to get pixel pops! However i would add that i don't believe standard sized textures are needed for network models   but i am ASSUMING 256 is optimum for display.

Fell asleep and didn't do any texting myself....keep us informed folks.  We all benefit from whats going on here  .Though toxic is right to a degree, i think like anything it can be tactfully used such as the existing highway etc....somethings will look better than others...Lets face it no matter what the resolution a crappy texture is a crappy texture 

Edit: oh and the earlier picture of flora makes me think it is worth while in atleast those respects for props!!!!

Bud

[metarvo]

Finally, SC4 in HD.    I have two questions, though.  What does this mean for those who don't have PhotoShop?  Additionally, is it OK to remake large props in HD?  Some of my props are quite large.  Either way, this is quite a discovery.

[superhands]

ok. i had to have a go.    2.5MB for 8 textures (all uncompressed fsh)



   

[buddybud]

Finally, SC4 in HD.    I have two questions, though.  What does this mean for those who don't have PhotoShop?  Additionally, is it OK to remake large props in HD?  Some of my props are quite large.  Either way, this is quite a discovery.

question 1 for the hd props no texture editing is done after bating as long as you have a higher resolution texture to use on your moedel it doesn't matter which program it was made in..The resulting model is shrunk afterwards or textures transferred depending on which method is used presently.

for the hd textures thats another story cause we've been using the default photoshop file PSD to generate the alphas. Base textures could be done unsing a regular png file though.

question 2
  Unless you want to experiment i wouldn't actually plan on releasing anything immediately unless as a beta.....we have no idea how the system is going to respond to this at this point...though both solutions look promising!!!


Edit. I still am not 100% on how Orange_o_ accomplished his pic....i do think he used a replacement fsh as i had attemptted....This method would be time consuming though but great for any pixel artist!!! (four rotations need to be hand crafted) Orange_o_ please share your thoughts!!!

Bud

[SimNation]

BigHead is that RHW?? If so then bravo...that looks tons closer to the in-game roads and avenue textures

[cogeo]

As long as the larger prop doesn't cover more than 1 FSH file per view then when it's put into the smaller model it should work.

This is not the only requirement. All FSH files of the 2nd (large) model should be exactly 2x larger than those of the first one. This generally is the case for 2x sized models, as BAT generates FSH textures sized to the minimum possible power of 2, ie it's somehow "coincidental", and works only if the 2nd model is exactly 2x larger than the original. It might have problems in marginal cases, but this is just (my) speculation. It won't work if the scaling factor is everything else than 2.

As for now, I'm busy making a conversion tool; for everybody interested, I could post/send test/evaluation versions. For the moment I'm trying to (successfully) read the .SC4Model files.

[Jonathan]

I don't see why the scaling must only be 2?
I tired it with 4 in the reader and it worked, but I didn't try this in game.
I also tried it with you London TfL sign, and the writing was about as clear as yours, if not slightly unclearer.
But if you have a tool that will do it for you then that would be much better

Jonathan

[A200]

April Fools much?? 

[RippleJet]

April Fools much?? 

Glad to see you were fooled...
but that must have been in another thread on another site... not here

[A200]

Lol this is a joke  , obviously april fools. This type of thing is impossible 

[A200]

All the people replying think this is real      so good it's unbelievable :p 

[Pat]

A200 Rest assured this is no joke at all!!! Here at SC4D we take it serously when someone makes a discovery and dont jack the community around with it....

OK so what would be the best overview here of everything that has been learned of the High Def Props??? I am trying to read it but my poor brain just cant wrap around it all.....

BTW trying to piece it together for the Podcast hint hint lol

[RippleJet]

OK so what would be the best overview here of everything that has been learned of the High Def Props??? I am trying to read it but my poor brain just cant wrap around it all.....

Pat, you would have to add video to your podcast in that case...   ...and show Cogeo's in-game picture.
One picture that says more than 1000 words, when explaining the difference:



Normal props on top, HD prop on bottom.

[mightygoose]

why are you not compressing them on reader insert??

[Pat]

uhhhhhhh what??? Tell me its not so!!!

[nerdly_dood]

If this is a joke then i'ts a very  joke. Better luck next time.