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Re-write the RTL Plugin.
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Leave it as is.
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Dont care (dont use it)
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Offline Kitsune

Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2007, 08:02:01 PM »
Ah, that'd be awesome if you could choose which parts of the intersection you want turning lanes on, since not every 4-way intersection has turning lanes on all 4 sides.

Heh, the work around I use for this is just a one tile piece of the ANT network, works everytime, and I never get any development issues....
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2007, 09:27:21 PM »
The implementation is not 100% decided yet as my initial idea didnt totally work, as I said earlier.  Here is a picture:

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2007, 09:48:35 PM »
well JP i'm all for it. good RULing, man.

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2007, 01:27:27 AM »
The implementation is not 100% decided yet as my initial idea didnt totally work, as I said earlier.  Here is a picture:



Yeah, you've got a drunk road marker there...  :P

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2007, 04:24:57 AM »
Shouldn't it be possible to make the RUL override behave in a certain way, ensuring 100% success (or close to)? Say, the texture automatically rotates itself when the control piece (the intersection piece) is drawn... Call the intersection piece A, the first piece B and the last piece C. Maybe it could be written in such a way that if A is there, B should be the next piece drawn, then C, but C cannot appear next to A, meaning it must be next to B.

It probably requires a bit of experimentation with this sort of thing.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2007, 02:24:56 PM »
Are the texture IDs on the new RTL going to be the same as the currently available one?  I really loathe the default textrures, and I don't want my white stripes to go away, although I do prefer the double yellow line down the middle.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2007, 02:31:52 PM »
@nerdly_dood  The texture IIDs have changed due to the fact that there are now about 1/3 of the original textures.  Any mods that change the base texture will have to be updated in accordance with the new RTL Mod.  The biggest reason for this change in IIDs is so that it was easier to write the code and so that there would be no issues with writing the TLA Projects.

@ShadowAssassin  Yes, I would have thought so too.  My fixes have actually ended up "breaking" the intersection.  What this means is I have overriden the Intersection too many times.  I have made it possible to have 3 optional Left Turn Lanes, but it breaks when I try for the 4th.

To those wondering how this will be implemented.  At the moment I am trying to get it so that it automatically overrides when there are Back to Back "Street to Road" connections.  I cannot post a picture of how to draw it at the time being but I will eventually when I have this working 100%.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »
You know I hate to say what jplumbley has in common here to someone else we know, but even though azn's done the shunned te lots, it just I noticed in his te lots, he managed to get 3 left turn lanes correctly drawn before his alternative 4 way intersection lots. Maybe, visually, the only alternative is a seperate puzzle piece, not the intersection, but a stand alone left turn lane piece before, because there is a possibility it can't be done. 

Offline Filasimo

Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2007, 01:06:48 PM »
um jdub: these arent puzzle pieces........if you have read carefully Jplumbey is working on a way to implement these turning lanes when you make road intersections which is the appropriate way to code it and not find shortcuts...
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2007, 01:08:35 PM »
J-dub... My work has nothing to do with TE Lots, they are RUL Overrides, the proper way to do this.  I do not use TE Lots and Puzzle Pieces should not be required for this intersection, I just used a method that didnt work, I just have to re-think and re-write a piece or two.

I can re-write it to work backwards with drawable intersections, but it will require a bit more work.  Tropod has already given me an idea of how to fix the work I have already written but I havent had time between other things I have been working on in the past week and a half.

In the past 3 weeks I have written the code and made some of the textures for SAM Roundabouts.  Experimented with SAM Diagonals, found that the code will be possible, but it will require alot of textures (wont be ready until SAM BETA v3).  Wrote the code for SAM/OWR intersections, the textures are on my to do list.  I also have some code to write for SAM/Avenue intersections which I havent added yet.  I have also written the code for TLA-5 Ortho Intersections.  These RULs are possible to be recycled and used as RULs in the RHW-4 and RHW-2 networks very easily, just need the textures which are about 2/3 done by Rickmastfan.  I have been helping with the re-calculation of the Pathfinding Engine with mott.  And I have been helping Warrior with a Boston Big Dig experiment that looks to be able to change the way we use BBD lots and make them ALOT more useful.  Its been a very busy 3 weeks for me and I think I am allowed to slack in this department for the time being, just give me time and I will get it working, hopefully before the next release of NAM/SAM/RHW which will all be simultaneous.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2007, 08:26:32 PM »
I Know those are not puzzle pieces, but would left turn lane puzzle pieces be such a problem? Of course it would be a real mistake to call your re-coding te lots! Its just I couldn't figure out how azns lot overrode the system and had 3 turn lanes appear in front of his alt jcts or what not. However, would doing left turn lanes on puzzle pieces be possible? Or will raised roads eventually get the same RUL treatment as ground here? Would such a thing get considered at least for that type of road? One more thing, the 2 lane rhw,

Offline Serkanner

Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2007, 05:52:10 AM »
Why would anybody want puzzle pieces if it can be made draggable? That is just silly.

I get the feeling jdub that you want to drag the "discussion" about this subject from elsewhere to this website: DON'T!

If you want puzzle pieces of TE lots, get them elsewhere. This topic is about RTL done the proper way.

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2007, 05:57:51 AM »

Well said there SerKanner.... So Back On Topic here... Jp that is a wierd mistake i say about the turning lane lol

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« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2007, 07:18:35 AM »
well, hardly can wait for this to finish JP ;) and i saw a bunch of great news on your posts, which will keep me drooling ;) keep it up man, i aprreciate what you are doing here!
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2007, 08:51:36 AM »
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Why would anybody want puzzle pieces if it can be made draggable? That is just silly.

Well, we do kind of need them to make draggable networks. But in this case, it won't even be necessary, since we're just fooling the game into doing something when confronted with a particular situation.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2007, 06:54:57 PM »
Well, we do kind of need them to make draggable networks. But in this case, it won't even be necessary, since we're just fooling the game into doing something when confronted with a particular situation.

Of course I meant puzzle pieces as independent network piece instead of draggable networks with the puzzle piece being part of a draggable network. But you knew that of course  :P

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2007, 08:57:26 PM »
Serkanner, No, all I'm saying is raised roads could also stand for some left turn lanes, I mean don't you think that would be good if you use those to make overpass ramps, and have the extra lanes for up there? If this does lead to a different project, then my appologizes for parking my car in the wrong spot, get it? As for the RTL, is it also possible that a mod could be made for Roads, like Sam, that could do this with RTL, but SLR too, and give us options, like to not have turning lanes as well, maybe even road ATL could be included? Just a thought, but I don't know, maybe if those 2 projects of SLR, and RTL could get merged to something similar via just 1 network tile, it  might be easier.
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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2007, 09:25:09 PM »
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As for the RTL, is it also possible that a mod could be made for Roads, like Sam, that could do this with RTL, but SLR too, and give us options, like to not have turning lanes as well, maybe even road ATL could be included? Just a thought, but I don't know, maybe if those 2 projects of SLR, and RTL could get merged to something similar via just 1 network tile, it  might be easier.

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2007, 07:34:44 AM »
Thank you for answering the question Shadow Assassin.

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Re: RTL - Road Turning Lanes Plugin - POLL
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2007, 08:38:07 AM »
I'm just wondering... how are you going to implement the UI of this.. IE how are us as users going to implement RTL's in the future??? I ask this because I thought it may be possible for you to create a mini roundabout system that takes up 1 tile???

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