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Offline roadgeek

Re: NAM 38 Now Available
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2020, 06:48:36 PM »
Can somebody post an image of a real life Highbrid Railway and Monorail? I have never heard of such a thing!

Offline Tyberius06

Re: NAM 38 Now Available
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2020, 08:11:06 PM »
Can somebody post an image of a real life Highbrid Railway and Monorail? I have never heard of such a thing!


Hybrid Rail is kind of a SC4 term, it is a special expansion of the game railway systems which makes them to be closer to the real life versions, since the default game is not able to provide such a dual purpose system, while in RL rail lines often has this dual purpose. In real life, specially in countries with advanced rail network systems (like Germany, UK, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain - what I'm aware of) most of the main rail lines around and through cities/towns are "hybrid, dual purpose" rail lines. They can serve the higher speed trains and the regular slower trains too on the same tracks. SC4 Hybrail Railway is this dual purpose rail line.

In Simcity 4 you have 3 different and separate rail network types as you know. The fastest type is the Monorail. During the years SC4 modders and developers choose to replace the original Maxis Monorail with more common highspeed rail networks, like the Far Eastern-type Bullet Trains or the High Speed Rail Project. Both of these projects have been abandoned for years now and in the future there will be a new approach which called RHSR (Real High Speed Rail). But these are just replacements or alternatives of the game base Monorail network.

BUT in real life High Speed Rails (not monorail based, but with the same achievable speed) often can and DO use regular rail tracks (ok, Shinkansen and other bullet train services has their own track system), although sometimes they use the regular rail tracks before they get access to their own high speed compatible tracks, specially when they running through on cities/towns.
In Europe there are many international HSR companies like Eurostar (UK), Thalys (Belgium), TGV (France), ICE (Germany), Railjet (Austria), but also there are national services, which can provide higher speed than the regular passanger trains. As far as I know trains above 160 km/h - 100 miles/h - are high speed rails.

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Re: NAM 38 Now Available
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2020, 01:16:02 AM »
Pictures of real life monorail :)







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Offline roadgeek

Re: NAM 38 Now Available
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2020, 11:46:17 AM »
Can somebody post an image of a real life Highbrid Railway and Monorail? I have never heard of such a thing!


Hybrid Rail is kind of a SC4 term, it is a special expansion of the game railway systems which makes them to be closer to the real life versions, since the default game is not able to provide such a dual purpose system, while in RL rail lines often has this dual purpose. In real life, specially in countries with advanced rail network systems (like Germany, UK, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain - what I'm aware of) most of the main rail lines around and through cities/towns are "hybrid, dual purpose" rail lines. They can serve the higher speed trains and the regular slower trains too on the same tracks. SC4 Hybrail Railway is this dual purpose rail line.

In Simcity 4 you have 3 different and separate rail network types as you know. The fastest type is the Monorail. During the years SC4 modders and developers choose to replace the original Maxis Monorail with more common highspeed rail networks, like the Far Eastern-type Bullet Trains or the High Speed Rail Project. Both of these projects have been abandoned for years now and in the future there will be a new approach which called RHSR (Real High Speed Rail). But these are just replacements or alternatives of the game base Monorail network.

BUT in real life High Speed Rails (not monorail based, but with the same achievable speed) often can and DO use regular rail tracks (ok, Shinkansen and other bullet train services has their own track system), although sometimes they use the regular rail tracks before they get access to their own high speed compatible tracks, specially when they running through on cities/towns.
In Europe there are many international HSR companies like Eurostar (UK), Thalys (Belgium), TGV (France), ICE (Germany), Railjet (Austria), but also there are national services, which can provide higher speed than the regular passanger trains. As far as I know trains above 160 km/h - 100 miles/h - are high speed rails.

- Tyberius

OK, that makes much more sense. I was trying to envision a track that could support both monorail and other trains, or how a monorail could use standard tracks or a standard train could use a monorail.

Offline LucarioBoricua

Re: NAM 38 Now Available
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2020, 02:38:43 PM »
The conceptual issue with high speed rail versus monorail in the SimCity 4 context is that the monorail, for some odd reason, was deemed worthy enough to feature in SimCity 4 by the Maxis developers, but not the actual HSR. We gotta keep in mind that the game was developed between the late 1990s and very early 2000s, a time when high speed rail was still very niche worldwide and wasn't present in the American parlance on transportation topics. Since that date, HSR has expanded drastically beyond the pioneering countries. Nowadays in the late 2010s and 2020, high speed rail has developed spectacularly in numerous parts of the Old World, and it generally follows two models: fully dedicated lines, and HSR services in mixed traffic along conventional lines.

Examples of countries with fully separate HSR systems:

  • Japan: the Shinkansen was developed separately in almost all lines, due to a mixture of capacity and technical limitations from their narrow Cape gauge network. So far there are only 3 clear exceptions: the Seikan Tunnel between Hokkaido and northern Honshu, where the extreme expense of having separate tunnels forces the freight services and the Hokkaido Shinkansen to share the tracks; and the Akita and Yamagata mini Shinkansen lines, where the lower demand and population did not justify creating fully separate lines. Their invention of high speed rail also occurred within the context of a very aggressive industrialization following the reconstruction after the WWII loss, where their neglected narrow gauge lines were being operated beyond their capacity and acceptable deterioration thresholds.
  • Spain: similarly to Japan, their high speed rail network uses fully separate lines due to gauge differences, in their case with the Iberian broad gauge, as they wanted to have compatibility with the predominant standard gauge networks in Europe.
  • France: they have a mixture of services, but the main lines are for fully dedicated and segregated service due to capacity and the inadequacy of some of these older alignments to accommodate the strict geometric design requirements for high speed operation.
  • China: due to their really high population, rapidly growing economic output and highly restricted airspace, Chinese authorities opted to have a fully separate HSR network to ensure high speed and high volume operations, which also avoids the congestion of busy freight lines with the express passenger services.
  • Taiwan: they contracted the HSR technology from Japan to build a single line connecting all the major cities along the Island's west coast, using a separate alignment. What I don't know is whether they had existing inter-city railways which were inadequate for HSR services.
  • India: they're starting construction of HSR lines with Japanese assistance, and their existing Indian broad gauge railways are extremely busy and deteriorated with all sorts of passenger and freight services (these are the guys and gals who ride trains on the roofs of the cars).
  • Various developing countries in Asia and Africa: in most cases they're opting for separate lines because their existing railways are inadequate either on the basis of gauge, condition or even just plain don't exist along major population corridors, especially when existing railways were developed with freight rather than passengers in mind.


Examples of countries with mixed HSR systems:

  • Germany: most of their existing services use the existing rail network, but there's also selective line segregation projects being used along either very busy and/or geometrically inadequate lines.
  • United Kingdom: the UK has HSR services along existing lines but these are planned to get eventual replacements with fully dedicated lines. For instance, the first phase of the High Speed 2 line just begun construction going from London to Birmingham. We also have to consider that the UK invented railways and thus their main lines have the oldest designs, meaning that it's more common for these to be created at a lower standard relative to today's expectations, but also means that their network has some of the best coverage too.
  • Benelux countries: places like Belgium and the Netherlands use their existing lines for HSR services because they're geographically smaller and relatively flat, meaning that existing alignments generally prove to be sufficient for their needs.
  • Switzerland: they have the curious case of developing high speed rail lines with freight as their priority. With the New Rail Link across the Alps project, they're building a series of base tunnels (rail tunnels connecting valley floors across mountain ranges) to avoid the extremely windy, steep and often single-tracked conventional lines. Austria is also doing something similar for the same reasons, but due to their EU membership they aren't as strictly focused on freight for cross-border traffic. Outside of these steep areas, their HSR services run in mixed traffic with the other passenger and freight services.
  • Scandinavian countries (Sweden, Denmark, Finland): their lower population densities mean that rail lines are less congested, and thus they've been able to operate HSR services along existing lines. The geography of their developed areas tends to be flat or rolling, meaning that mountainous geography hasn't been a major obstacle for using existing rail lines.


From what I'm seeing, mixed HSR traffic seems to be a predominantly European strategy because of their more mature standard gauge networks, which reduces the pressure of developing separate lines except for very specific cases (bad geometry, super busy corridors, incompatible gauges). Meanwhile, dedicated HSR lines seem to be a predominantly Asian strategy due to a mix of very high populations, higher reliance on industry (and thus more freight rail traffic in existing lines) and inadequacy of existing lines on the basis of gauge, deterioration and/or capacity. I think that having both types of HSR systems is good in SimCity 4 because it gives more options. I also think that players who want to develop European-styled rail networks have been vocal in petitioning for mixed HSR arrangements because earlier HSR development projects focused more on the fully segregated lines based on repurposing the monorail, thus leaving their option without representation in the game.