[BruceAtkinson]

 He..He...we all know now, that with the size of my plugin folder...I'm not using everything either!  I really can't justify it but let's just say that I am equpped with options!  Just think of how unique I can build a city!  All kidding aside, I'm not convinced that the size of the plugin folder does any harm, it just takes forever to load...but if the computer can handle it, then there you go.
  Something interestin g I found in my exceptions report...now I'm running version 638, whereas way back in 2005 I was running version 640.  I thought I had all the updates, but it seems that I have downloaded something that is masking that last update from EA that would show version 640.  Since I have most of my Exception Reports, I'm going to look at them and see when it changed back to 638....possibly an exercise in futility, but I may learn something from it....
  and I do not think this makes any difference in using the new version of NAM...but what do I know?
 Bruce

[BruceAtkinson]

 Sorry if I sounded smug or smart alec like....did not mean to sound that way.  I love this game, and most likely too much...it is my way of escaping the harsh realities of the world! 
 Bruce

[SilverCyric]

Bah! You weren't pretentious at all Holmes, hehe. I don't think the missing update would effect anything but your night lights. Nonny Moose would know though. Yeah I usually get well over 5 GB but now I'm getting really selective, starting to edit lots and been tooling around with the BAT tool. This is definitely a great way to loose track of time, lol Well, I've for projects on the books today, time to get out and act like I know what I'm doing : )

[BruceAtkinson]

...I still haven't resolved this issue of mine, however since I have SimCity on two computers, this weekend I will install the new version of NAM onto my second computer...and see if it will hold.  Like Mr. silver, I'm hooked on the new version...as I have been looking at all the pictures of what one can do with the draggable streets and curves!
  BEJA

[BruceAtkinson]

...just an interesting observation:  No, I havn't loaded the new NAM in my other computer like I said in the previous post...I haven't had the time, but since I have been able to load the game in my old computer by using the older version of NAM, I have found some interesting things.  New textures in the Avenues and new Textures of the Real highway System...so I'm thinking that even though I swapped folders from the new NAM to the older version, that I actually have a hybrid NAM, which functions okay.  This, of course, was inadvertent...but at least I can play the game, develop cities until I find a solution to my issue.
  Bruce

[packersfan]

I recently changed my terrain mod to a very detailed texture terrain...Lowkee's Appalaccian.  I'm trying to work on an old partially developed large tile, but the game seems to max out on memory very quickly and eventually crashes.  Is this where the issue is?  Is this because of the high detail?

[SilverCyric]

I'm having similar problems once I pass 100,000 residents on a single tile. I think it's the normal CTD issue that's always present in the game. A bug causes the RAM to be ate up for no good reason. I think the new NAM is aggravating this bug, and once RAM runs out ,CTD... 
Saving often allows the computer to dump the memory, but its only a stop gap now, I get maybe 10 saves and it'll either CTD or lock up and no longer respond

[packersfan]

Maybe the new NAM and this terrain mod is exasperating the problem...I'll try to play the tile without the terrain mod to see how it works, if it lasts a little longer.  Another problem I found though, is that even if I save and exit the city, the game will crash if I try to load back into that city.  I didn't have this problem TOO much before the new NAM and terrain, so maybe the terrain is causing the most trouble...I know for sure that I am going to be downsizing other undeveloped large tiles to medium tiles just to avoid this problem and the myriad of other processing problems with big tiles.  Hopefully I can still get some work done on my big tiles that have large developments.

[SilverCyric]

I am so in the same boat! I've been trying to utilize medium tiles but find it so confining for creating my metro centers. I'm getting exclusive crashes only when I save or exit to region. Large tiles is an almost guarantee CTD when exiting to region unless I've only had it open for 15-20 minutes, I've rebuilt my plugins from scratch three times since NAM 31 came out, but that's mostly my refusal to give up the new NAM and wanted to make sure it wasn't a plugin-conflict.
Reading your post and how it's crashing soon as you load the tile sounds like a plugin conflict, usually pointing straight at the terrian and water mods. Are you p

[SilverCyric]

Are you positive you removed your old terrain mod completely? Sorry for the double post, accidentally hit post and I can't modify from my phone

[packersfan]

I didn't have a terrain mod previously and I've switched tree controllers, though I removed all existing flora from my city before doing this swap.  I'll have to check on the water and cliffs, maybe there is a conflict somewhere in there.  Hopefully that is the case and not something darker and more sinister.

[APSMS]

Not sure if this is the cause of the problem, as I'm unable to actually try NAM 31 out with a HD terrain mod right now, but it might help if the problems are RAM related.

See this post http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=12523.msg428154#msg428154

Again, I have no idea if it actually works, but it couldn't hurt (I hope).

[packersfan]

http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php ... yeah, try this out, I removed my terrain mod and it didn't really help the situation.  I added this patch and no more crashes so far.  Now I will try with the terrain mod back in.  Hopefully this works long term.  I don't really want to downsize so many large tiles with great work on them.

[blackdolphin]

I have something called an exception report:
Exception time: 11/16/2013, at 15:33:47.
Exception code: 0xC0000005 (-1073741819) ACCESS_VIOLATION.
Current thread ID: 5760 (0x00001680).
Version information:
Application/module path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\SimCity 4.exe
Application/module version name: SimCity 4
Application/module version: 1.1.641.0
System version: Windows NT 5.1
System memory: 1024 Megabytes total, 1024 Megabytes free.

Exception module:  C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\SimCity 4.exe.
Exception address: 0x006a5bfa. Section:Offset: 0x01:0x0029ebfa.

Registers
   EAX: 00000000
   EBX: 0000006f
   ECX: 13dea754
   EDX: 16570c34
   ESI: 13ee0128
   EDI: 13d66814
   CS:EIP: 0023:006a5bfa
   SS:ESP: 002b:0018fc30  EBP:000000ce
   DS:002b  ES:002b  FS:0053  GS:002b
   Flags: 00210246

Loaded Modules
   Address          Size Module             Path
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   0x00400000    8159232 SimCity 4.exe      C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\SimCity 4.exe
   0x77250000    1572864 ntdll.dll          C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll
   0x768f0000    1114112 kernel32.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll
   0x74df0000     290816 KERNELBASE.dll     C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll
   0x76a10000     655360 ADVAPI32.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\ADVAPI32.dll
   0x76840000     704512 msvcrt.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\msvcrt.dll
   0x76ab0000     102400 sechost.dll        C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sechost.dll
   0x752f0000     983040 RPCRT4.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\RPCRT4.dll
   0x74cb0000     393216 SspiCli.dll        C:\Windows\syswow64\SspiCli.dll
   0x74ca0000      49152 CRYPTBASE.dll      C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPTBASE.dll
   0x728d0000      28672 WSOCK32.dll        C:\Windows\system32\WSOCK32.dll
   0x75220000     217088 WS2_32.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\WS2_32.dll
   0x76a00000      24576 NSI.dll            C:\Windows\syswow64\NSI.dll
   0x76640000    1802240 WININET.dll        C:\Windows\syswow64\WININET.dll
   0x76270000      16384 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-user32-l1-1-0.dll
   0x76510000    1048576 user32.DLL         C:\Windows\syswow64\user32.DLL
   0x76030000     589824 GDI32.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\GDI32.dll
   0x76830000      40960 LPK.dll            C:\Windows\syswow64\LPK.dll
   0x76db0000     643072 USP10.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\USP10.dll
   0x76c80000      20480 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-advapi32-l1-1-0.dll
   0x76ad0000      16384 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-shlwapi-l1-1-0.dll
   0x74d90000     356352 shlwapi.DLL        C:\Windows\syswow64\shlwapi.DLL
   0x74d80000      16384 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-version-l1-1-0.dll
   0x74860000      36864 version.DLL        C:\Windows\system32\version.DLL
   0x75110000      12288 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-normaliz-l1-1-0.dll
   0x74d70000      12288 normaliz.DLL       C:\Windows\syswow64\normaliz.DLL
   0x74ef0000    2064384 iertutil.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\iertutil.dll
   0x753e0000   12886016 SHELL32.dll        C:\Windows\syswow64\SHELL32.dll
   0x74520000     466944 DSOUND.dll         C:\Windows\system32\DSOUND.dll
   0x760c0000    1425408 ole32.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\ole32.dll
   0x72860000     204800 WINMM.dll          C:\Windows\system32\WINMM.dll
   0x746f0000     151552 POWRPROF.dll       C:\Windows\system32\POWRPROF.dll
   0x76ae0000    1691648 SETUPAPI.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\SETUPAPI.dll
   0x76610000     159744 CFGMGR32.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\CFGMGR32.dll
   0x75190000     585728 OLEAUT32.dll       C:\Windows\syswow64\OLEAUT32.dll
   0x750f0000      73728 DEVOBJ.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\DEVOBJ.dll
   0x74450000     819200 OPENGL32.dll       C:\Windows\system32\OPENGL32.dll
   0x74af0000     139264 GLU32.dll          C:\Windows\system32\GLU32.dll
   0x74360000     946176 DDRAW.dll          C:\Windows\system32\DDRAW.dll
   0x74650000      24576 DCIMAN32.dll       C:\Windows\system32\DCIMAN32.dll
   0x70720000      77824 dwmapi.dll         C:\Windows\system32\dwmapi.dll
   0x74620000     135168 MSVFW32.dll        C:\Windows\system32\MSVFW32.dll
   0x71a10000     540672 COMCTL32.dll       C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_5.82.7601.18201_none_ec80f00e8593ece5\COMCTL32.dll
   0x75120000     393216 IMM32.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\IMM32.dll
   0x76320000     835584 MSCTF.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\MSCTF.dll
   0x71d50000     311296 apphelp.dll        C:\Windows\system32\apphelp.dll
   0x74140000    2195456 AcGenral.DLL       C:\Windows\AppPatch\AcGenral.DLL
   0x71c00000     524288 UxTheme.dll        C:\Windows\system32\UxTheme.dll
   0x71ce0000      61440 samcli.dll         C:\Windows\system32\samcli.dll
   0x74600000      81920 MSACM32.dll        C:\Windows\system32\MSACM32.dll
   0x745f0000      12288 sfc.dll            C:\Windows\system32\sfc.dll
   0x745e0000      53248 sfc_os.DLL         C:\Windows\system32\sfc_os.DLL
   0x72da0000      94208 USERENV.dll        C:\Windows\system32\USERENV.dll
   0x73160000      45056 profapi.dll        C:\Windows\system32\profapi.dll
   0x76c90000    1179648 urlmon.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\urlmon.dll
   0x77220000      16384 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\syswow64\api-ms-win-downlevel-ole32-l1-1-0.dll
   0x71370000      73728 MPR.dll            C:\Windows\system32\MPR.dll
   0x70740000     577536 AcLayers.dll       C:\Windows\AppPatch\AcLayers.dll
   0x71aa0000     331776 WINSPOOL.DRV       C:\Windows\system32\WINSPOOL.DRV
   0x73ac0000    2461696 AcXtrnal.DLL       C:\Windows\AppPatch\AcXtrnal.DLL
   0x745d0000      24576 SHUNIMPL.DLL       C:\Windows\system32\SHUNIMPL.DLL
   0x745c0000      53248 SortServer2003Comp C:\Windows\system32\SortServer2003Compat.dll
   0x75180000      20480 psapi.dll          C:\Windows\syswow64\psapi.dll
   0x71340000      28672 saHook.dll         c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\SITEAD~1\saHook.dll
   0x711a0000    1695744 comctl32.dll       C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7601.17514_none_41e6975e2bd6f2b2\comctl32.dll
   0x76280000     536576 CLBCatQ.DLL        C:\Windows\syswow64\CLBCatQ.DLL
   0x71b00000    1003520 propsys.dll        C:\Windows\system32\propsys.dll
   0x72580000     135168 ntmarta.dll        C:\Windows\system32\ntmarta.dll
   0x76220000     282624 WLDAP32.dll        C:\Windows\syswow64\WLDAP32.dll
   0x74890000     335872 rasapi32.dll       C:\Windows\system32\rasapi32.dll
   0x74870000      86016 rasman.dll         C:\Windows\system32\rasman.dll
   0x763f0000    1179648 CRYPT32.dll        C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPT32.dll
   0x76310000      49152 MSASN1.dll         C:\Windows\syswow64\MSASN1.dll
   0x731b0000      90112 CRYPTSP.dll        C:\Windows\system32\CRYPTSP.dll
   0x73170000     241664 rsaenh.dll         C:\Windows\system32\rsaenh.dll
   0x719b0000      94208 bcrypt.dll         C:\Windows\system32\bcrypt.dll
   0x71970000     249856 bcryptprimitives.d C:\Windows\SysWOW64\bcryptprimitives.dll
   0x719d0000     229376 ncrypt.dll         C:\Windows\system32\ncrypt.dll
   0x718b0000      90112 GPAPI.dll          C:\Windows\system32\GPAPI.dll
   0x71890000     114688 cryptnet.dll       C:\Windows\system32\cryptnet.dll
   0x71960000      24576 SensApi.dll        C:\Windows\system32\SensApi.dll
   0x6ad40000    7745536 nvd3dum.dll        C:\Windows\system32\nvd3dum.dll
   0x74100000     233472 MMDevApi.dll       C:\Windows\System32\MMDevApi.dll
   0x740c0000     221184 AUDIOSES.DLL       C:\Windows\system32\AUDIOSES.DLL
   0x71cd0000      32768 Secur32.dll        C:\Windows\system32\Secur32.dll
   0x71cc0000      16384 api-ms-win-downlev C:\Windows\system32\api-ms-win-downlevel-advapi32-l2-1-0.dll
   0x731e0000     245760 mswsock.dll        C:\Windows\system32\mswsock.dll
   0x72f90000      24576 wship6.dll         C:\Windows\System32\wship6.dll
   0x72fb0000     114688 IPHLPAPI.DLL       C:\Windows\system32\IPHLPAPI.DLL
   0x72fa0000      28672 WINNSI.DLL         C:\Windows\system32\WINNSI.DLL
   0x745b0000      28672 avrt.dll           C:\Windows\system32\avrt.dll
   0x6d510000     507904 DbgHelp.dll        C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\DbgHelp.dll

Call stack:
(Debug information (.pdb files) appears to be absent).
0x0001:0x0029ebfa C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\SimCity 4.exe.

Stack data: (ESP is 0x0018fc30)
0x0018fab0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fad0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018faf0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fb10   00000000 7b57161f c6d8073e bf0989f3 e899fb3d 00000000 00404540 00000000
0x0018fb30   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fb50   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fb70   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fb90   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fbb0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fbd0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fbf0   00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fc10   00000000 34fdffff e4020000 34fdffff cc020000 19000000 00000000 00000000
0x0018fc30   1468d613 003cbf01 00040000 01000000 01000000 6666a640 cccccc3e b0746a00
0x0018fc50   00000000 a40d3108 1868d613 54cf5a1a 53d12500 05000000 03000000 304d1225
0x0018fc70   7e0b9300 a0124b03 4c842101 327c19f7 181d0000 003cbf01 00040000 0068d613
0x0018fc90   2490b400 04000000 01000000 7407e775 08000000 00000000 00000000 33956a00
0x0018fcb0   05000000 1868d613 54cf5a1a 53d12500 05000000 1868d613 7028b600 53d12500
0x0018fcd0   23257000 54cf5a1a 00000000 1450d713 05000000 e52e7000 64220f1a 1a689566
0x0018fcf0   53d12500 00000000 05000000 1450d713 3cfd1800 ac51d713 1c50d713 0f000000
0x0018fd10   05000000 143ce113 533f7000 482fee2d 14002201 502fee2d 1c50d713 1cfd1800
0x0018fd30   04fe1800 70f0a600 ffffffff 68fd1800 cfa78700 33010000 745f5376 14002201
0x0018fd50   00000000 142fee2d 502fee2d 542fee2d 18c62101 64154403 90fd1800 33a88700
0x0018fd70   33010000 745f5376 14002201 c0fd1800 05968700 a4fd1800 00000000 00000000
0x0018fd90   c0fd1800 18968700 14002401 14002201 00e0fdff 6c060600 00020000 00000000

Instruction data: (EIP is 0x006a5bfa)
0x006a5b7a   00 8b 74 24 10 8d 8e 10 02 00 00 c1 e1 04 03 c8 8d 54 24 20 89 4c 24 20 83 c7 1c 52 8b cf e8 d3
0x006a5b9a   d5 ff ff d9 44 24 14 d8 00 c1 e6 04 81 c6 01 10 00 00 8b cf d9 18 8d 44 24 20 50 89 74 24 24 e8
0x006a5bba   b2 d5 ff ff d9 44 24 24 d8 00 5f 5e 5d d9 18 5b 83 c4 0c c2 08 00 8b 16 8b ce ff 92 a4 00 00 00
0x006a5bda   8b 4f 3c 8b 11 50 8b 44 24 28 8b 00 50 ff 52 78 8b 4f 3c 8b 11 50 89 44 24 24 ff 92 80 00 00 00
0x006a5bfa   8b 10 8b c8 ff 52 34 8b 10 53 55 8b c8 ff 52 1c 0f bf c0 89 44 24 24 db 44 24 24 d8 0d a4 23 a8
0x006a5c1a   00 d9 54 24 24 d8 1d 54 10 a8 00 df e0 f6 c4 05 7a 0a c7 44 24 24 00 00 00 00 eb 19 d9 44 24 24
0x006a5c3a   d8 1d 28 12 a8 00 df e0 f6 c4 41 75 08 c7 44 24 24 00 00 80 3f 8b 5c 24 20 8b 16 6a 00 53 8b ce
0x006a5c5a   ff 92 c8 00 00 00 0f b7 c0 89 44 24 20 8d 4c 24 24 db 44 24 20 43 51 8d 4f 1c d8 4c 24 28 89 5c

[Enaud47]

Were you guys ever able to solve this problem? I've been having the issue (and getting worse) for almost a year now. I've re-downloaded and installed the game twice. Scrapped half of my plugins folder, tried saving after doing anything.
A year ago the ctd would happen when my city hit 100,000 now it's about 22,000.
Almost every thing that is described on this page happens to me. At loss and almost ready to drop the game that has been my almost constant companion for the last nine years.
I have copied my SimCity4 config file if anybody would know how to interpret it 

[kiwram]

I've seen a pattern in my CTD's now days it always crashes while bulldozing. And just now crashed by itself after 5min not touching anything.

[Ernestmaxis]

Try playing it with a empty plugin folder...
Then you know it is a plugin conflict

[Jack_wilds]

Hey guys...

I got teh amazon digital download for simcities deluxe

but the install stalls on teh G-driver... what is it where can I find a 'fix'... also

where do I find all drivers and updates needed for the game...

it seems to me everything was located in spot... now I can't seem to fiind it

THX for any help on this matter

[mgb204]

The Amazon version, like all the digital versions, should come pre-patched, so there shouldn't be any updates for the main game. Don't forget to install the I-HT fix once more though.

When you say the install stalls on the graphics driver, what exactly do you mean? I've never seen the SC4 installer configure this, did the installation finish at all? I guess the best advice I can offer if the installer isn't completing is to do the following:

 - Remove any previous installs
 - Reboot the computer
 - Disable any anti-virus or other software that may interfere with the install
 - Run the installer once more

Let us know if that gets the installer to complete or not.

[Jack_wilds]

its a window... Gdriver directx... the load ing and teh install stop when this window pops up... I did something quit some time ago to get around it... but now I forgot what I did... as for the Iht-fix... where isthat found?