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Network Addon Mod (NAM) / Re: NAM: Development

« Last post by Gugu3 on Today at 11:28:34 AM »

Exciting stuff!

Network Addon Mod (NAM) / Re: NAM: Development

« Last post by Tarkus on Today at 09:05:44 AM »

Coffee spillage would be a very bad thing . . . good thing we averted that.

Two more for the road (so to speak) . . .

-Alex

Network Addon Mod (NAM) / Re: NAM: Development

« Last post by metarvo on Today at 08:02:17 AM »

Whooooooo... it's a good thing I wasn't still holding my coffee cup!

Network Addon Mod (NAM) / Re: NAM: Development

« Last post by Tarkus on Today at 07:43:45 AM »

But wait, there's more . . .

-Alex

NAM Creations / Re: NAM Request/Idea: One-Tile Roundabout

« Last post by AsimPika3172 on Yesterday at 10:19:18 PM »

Nice smaller roundabouts!

I will waiting!

NAM Creations / Re: NAM Request/Idea: One-Tile Roundabout

« Last post by Tyberius06 on Yesterday at 03:13:05 PM »

Quote from: mgb204 on Yesterday at 09:49:14 AM

Quote from: Tyberius06 on Yesterday at 06:45:34 AM
These small roundabouts (at least in the UK) have only real purpose: slowing down the traffic. In RL most of the drivers make short cut on them anyway or just driving through on them without following the blend. The middle piece often just a roadmark on a circle speedbump.

You do know that they are intended by design to be "short cut", by driving over the middle where desired/safe to do so? Some of the newer ones were built such that doing this would be bad for your car, but originally they were little more than a tiny bump.

I wouldn't say they slow down traffic either, compared to a T or 4-way junction, you always give way to traffic on the roundabout. This means when located where the traffic conditions are right, they are a boon to traffic flow. Especially when traffic is light, you barely need to slow down, regardless of your entry/exit point, which is much more efficient than give-way or stop signs.

Well, first, I did not know about the designed "short cut". Thanks for that information. It's interesting.
In Hungary traffic authoritise were experimenting with this type of roundabout, and the first results were total catastrophic. People got used to the proper one, and they couldn't handle these tiny ones. Well that's their problem indeed.
However where I live in UK, it does slow down the traffic in a way, because most of the people don't use it as a roundabout. I mean rule wise. Also there are some strange driver behaviour here, which I can not understand, and make no sense to me, because it is totally the opposite how I was taught back in Hungary.
According to the general hungarian driving rules, there are 2 significant rule which the drivers always need to pay attention on (besides signs and traffic lights).
1. Right Hand Rule (Note: Hungary is RHD - like most of the European countries), which means if same hierarchy roads/streets intersecting each other (same hiearchy means, that non of the intersecting roads/streets have Give Away or Stop signs - yepp, mostly at the suburban areas almost all of the streets has the same hierarchy), always the driver who coming from your right hand side has the right to move first. The funny thing is, that in UK there is a Right Hand Rule as well, although they are driving on the other side of the road

2. Turning Rule: what if you have a + crossing and 4 cars from 4 different direction arrive at the very same time to the crossing. By default everybody should let the other go, so nobody would move. The turning rule allows the drivers to move first who wouldn't change lanes/directions, just moving straight ahead. After this is decided, again the Right Hand Rule applies, who can move first. Also there is a difference if you turning in a wide angle (in RHD set-up wide-LEFT) or a narrow angle (short-Right). The narrow/short angle turning has the right to turn firts. And if everybody were just about to drive straight ahead, then one starts winging, and let the other go, and once one car is out of the equation, the Right Hand Rule and the Turning Rule would decided the order from there.

Back to this single tile roundabout and the UK situation. So whenever I approach a roundabout like this (LHD set-up) and want to turn right (this would be a wide-RIGHT, the exact opposite to the RHD wide-LEFT, what I mentioned above in the Turning Rule) the other car from the opposite direction, who would go straight ahead or would turn down left (short/narrow-LEFT, the exact opposite as the RHD short-RIGHT) stops and would let me turn first even if that driver arrived to the roundabout first...

Which is totally the opposite, how I was taught. In Hungary this would work like, we arrive at the same time, the other driver goes straight ahead, then I following it and turning down IF nobody comes on my Right... (So UK has a Right Hand Rule, also since cars are coming from the right in a roundabout, and the general international rules would allow cars move first who are in the roundabout already, it's ok. In Hungary and most of the RHD contries, have the Right Hand Rule, but in roundabout, there is a Left Hand Rule, since cars are coming from the LEFT in a roundabout.).
It would be simple and fast. Instead the other driver stops and would let me turn down (NOTE: where I have this issue are generally T-crossings with this type of roundabout.)
But I need to slow down anyway, because I can not be sure, if somebody comes on my right... So everybody stops and think about where the fishes... Which kills the purpose of any roundabout.
Since I'm a delivery driver, at least 15-20 times I have to face with this situation and it still doesn't make any sense, why the driver who would move straight ahead stops and wait for me to turn down in front of them, while by default they don't need to give away to anybody...

So that's why I said, that it slows the traffic down, also because of the "teachers" on the speed-awarness course said to me...

SimCity 4 General Discussion / Re: Roundabouts WITHOUT NAM.

« Last post by Publius on Yesterday at 11:09:08 AM »

And that did it! Everything is functioning now.

SimCity 4 General Discussion / Re: Roundabouts WITHOUT NAM.

« Last post by Publius on Yesterday at 10:15:27 AM »

Thanks for the quick reply, Alex! I appreciate it.

When I wrote "Windows 10" patch, what I meant was the 4Gb patch. I did manage to apply it correctly to the .exe in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\Common\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps.

So (lying awake at 2 am) I had a thought: is the problem that I am using a region where I had already begun? The crashes to desktop occurred when I tried opening a city. I'm going to go into the two cities that I had already started, back them up, level them, reinstall NAM 37, then see if it works.

NAM Creations / Re: NAM Request/Idea: One-Tile Roundabout

« Last post by mgb204 on Yesterday at 09:49:14 AM »

Quote from: Tyberius06 on Yesterday at 06:45:34 AM

These small roundabouts (at least in the UK) have only real purpose: slowing down the traffic. In RL most of the drivers make short cut on them anyway or just driving through on them without following the blend. The middle piece often just a roadmark on a circle speedbump.

You do know that they are intended by design to be "short cut", by driving over the middle where desired/safe to do so? Some of the newer ones were built such that doing this would be bad for your car, but originally they were little more than a tiny bump.

I wouldn't say they slow down traffic either, compared to a T or 4-way junction, you always give way to traffic on the roundabout. This means when located where the traffic conditions are right, they are a boon to traffic flow. Especially when traffic is light, you barely need to slow down, regardless of your entry/exit point, which is much more efficient than give-way or stop signs.