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Title: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on January 19, 2007, 03:33:37 AM
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Hail to all lurkers.

Now it is your opportunity to come out and share with us your reasons to lurk about and not to comment.

Why do you lurk?
How often do you lurk?
Does your partner know that you lurk?
Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?

Anyway, share with us your lurking instincts, traits and habits.

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Elektra on January 19, 2007, 03:57:17 AM
Ok,

I will be the first out of the shadows.....lol.  Yes, I am a lurker.  :o

Why?  My mother always taught me to open my mouth when I can add value to the conversation.  Otherwise I just babble.  $%Grinno$%
How often?  Everyday.
Partner?  Don't have one.
Other Sites?  Of course I do.  :D

My instincts/habits are to lurk only in the middle of the night, more than likely I am the only one here and no one can see that I am lurking....lol.   :-\
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: callagrafx on January 19, 2007, 04:15:22 AM
Isn't lurking voyeurism?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Elektra on January 19, 2007, 04:23:18 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhh......don't tell them that, you will let my secret out.   :P ::)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: emilin on January 19, 2007, 05:25:21 AM
I lurk mainly for lack of time to comment, but also because I feel stupid saying only "Good update. Looking forward to more!". But, on the other hand I personally appriciate getting comments on my work even though it might be nothing more than a  &apls so maybe I should just get out there more often.  ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Yoder7652 on January 19, 2007, 06:29:46 AM
I'm a quasi-lurker (although I post much more than I used to). I mostly lurk becuase it takes soo long to read through all the posts that by the time I'm finished I either forget what I was thinking about writing or have to get off line to get something else done.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on January 19, 2007, 07:27:14 AM
To avoid lurking at my own started topic I quote:
Quote from: Yoder7652 on January 19, 2007, 06:29:46 AM
I'm a quasi-lurker (although I post much more than I used to). I mostly lurk becuase it takes soo long to read through all the posts that by the time I'm finished I either forget what I was thinking about writing or have to get off line to get something else done.
Yeah some CJ's are quite long and it is sometimes difficult to remember what you wanted to say. I agree.

Have a great lurking weekend.

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on January 19, 2007, 07:34:53 AM
hello to all,

believe it or not, I was a BIG lurker not so long ago ...
I totally agree with elektra:
QuoteMy mother always taught me to open my mouth when I can add value to the conversation.  Otherwise I just babble  $%Grinno$%

I spent more over a year lurking at ST, reading, studying, searching, and until I did not made my own first work, I did not start to be an active member. After I started to regulary posting at ST, I also tried to keep all my posts as useful as posible. Even the ones in the City Journals.

And who does not like to see a lurker emerge from time to time, and say something interesting  ;) ?¿

Finally, I have to say that I prefere a lurker than a large mouth  :D  :D

And for those of you who dont know what a lurker is, I translate the Lurker definition from
"Flame Warriors Home ,by Mike Reed" (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm) site.  A highly recommendable site if you are humourous persons, and want to have a real laugh  ;)

The Lurker definition:

QuoteLurker does not participate in normal forum discourse, but he's out there...watching, reading every message. He is usually quite harmless, and more often than not his silence reflects a natural reticence rather than sinister motives. If a fight breaks out he will quietly observe to avoid revealing his position. Occasionally, however, some mysterious impulse drives him to de-lurk and attack. This totally unexpected assault is universally regarded as an ambush, and other Warriors will turn on him savagely. Lurker seldom sticks around to fight it out, however, and after a brief exchange, he once again slips out of sight.
Copyright by Mike Reed (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm)

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Colyn on January 19, 2007, 07:52:59 AM
Let me add my 2 cents ...

I personally belive that the LURKERS were the biggest contributors to the fact that BSC left Simtropolis ...  :o ... why do I say this ... Well simply because the download numbers shows that the vast majority of Simtropolis dit appreciate the work the BSC did but then in the forums the screeching minority voiced their dislike vividly and received a lot of support from the Admin ... in the end I told the BSC that if the community cares so little that they allow the screechers to spoil it for all then so be it and I packed my mouse up and left ST. Since then many ... actually most BSC members withdrew from ST ... If the LURKERS came out and made their voices heard it would have been different.

Here on our LEX there is a simple "Thank you" choice and many dont even do that ... it is anonymous and it is not difficult but apparently too much effort ... 2 seconds of the downloaders time aginst dozens of hours of the creator ... hmm ... I wonder.

So LURKERS beware ... if you like the site and keep silent when things happen that affects your enjoyment of the site then you yourself is to blame if the site goes to the dogs.

Hows that for a different view ...  :satisfied:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Elektra on January 19, 2007, 10:08:03 AM

Now that is some view point, unfortunately I was not around when all that was happening, still don't know what happened recently.  I try to avoid confrontation and that is even in the RW. 
But if around and lurking in the fray, I am very much of the definition of Mike Reed's Lurker. I will come out and speak, get on my soap box and let my opinion be known.  Especially if it is something I believe in strongly, though the part about hightailing it out of the fray once I have spoke my opinion is the actual opposite (like a typical woman, I like to have the last word)....lol.   :P $%Grinno$%

And as a coming out lurker.....a Big Thank You to all that have created this wonderful web site and share much of your time for the passion of the game, which wouldn't be what it is today with out you!  &apls &apls  ()flower()  &kiss

See I told you I babble......
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Fred_Ginger on January 19, 2007, 10:21:59 AM
@ Colyn: as to down loading and not commenting, I like to wait to see the item in game before I comment.  Then I try to remember to go back and comment.  I don't always remember, Senoritas I'm afraid...  As to supporting the BSC, I do my best, but find more often than not, I'm totally ignored or considered 'part of the Peg/BSC posse' which doesn't stop me of course, but then when I get annoyed, nothing does! :angrymore:

To all: I like reading MDs, but as said before, if I have nothing to add I don't post.  I can be as inane as the next poster, but that just takes up space and adds nothing to the community, so why bother?   #?¿?¿?$
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: sebes on January 20, 2007, 07:03:29 AM
I lurk around a lot. I try to leave a simple 'thank you' or 'great update' when readin MD's. But when others say all kind of interesting stuff, or show their absolutely great work in the LEX or MD's or the "SHOW US'' section, I sometimes feel a completely fool and rather say nothing instead of 'thank you' or 'great update'or repeat what other already said before.

But - I do think it's important to share my gratitude to the uploaders, in LEX or MD's and alikes.  I think I leave a "thank you" (or rate at ST) for every download I do. If I don't like it I just don't download, don't rate and don't comment (I am not in any positon to comment as I cannot BAT/LOT a thing mysef - hey, even cannot figure out to get a picture posted here..!)


Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Colyn on January 20, 2007, 07:21:40 AM
Thanks for the postings here ... and to Sebes ... I fully understand your point of view but let me tell something ... with over 300 lots on ST I have always and mean always watched the lots till Blackbeard and Jacqulina posted a comment ... why ... well when I saw their comments I knew that the people that care for my work is out there and those two represented the masses for me ... weird but true.

Another thing I need to say here ... our LEX have a simple 3 Choice ICON valuation expression and I really want people to understand that on this LEX there is no such thing that we expect the HAPPY FACE all the time ... it is only when the USERS are truthfull in their VALUE EXPRESSION that the creators will have a better idea of what to do. If something looks like crap to you ... you are more than welcome to say so. This LEX has strong control over who is allowed to upload and part of the process of creating GOOD stuff for the community is the ability to take the critisism.

If only all of you could see how we work on the BSC Board ;) ... there it is the opposite from what is usual ... almost nobody will post a comment when an object is good ... more will post if it is outstanding ... but boy oh boy ... if there is something wrong ...  :o ... then suddenly the opinions comes fast and furious ... BUT ... a big BUT ... every post will be clear and specific and will include some advice on how to fix that what is wrong. That is how we have managed to build a massive collection of really good game assets.

So here you as the community has the opportunity to say what you think. As far as possible the ADMIN will keep an eye out for anybody that bullies a poster that has a different point of view.  :thumbsup:

Once again ... thanks for the good spirit in the Site ... we really appreciate it.

PS ... Hope this post lures a few more LURKERS out ...  &hlp
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: sebes on January 20, 2007, 02:05:20 PM
Colijn, in the BSC board, you're with a bunch of experts together. I bet Barby , Nikos and many others can tell you that they like or dislike something and also HOW you could enhance. I cannot. I can only say I like it or not, and have no clue - realy not any! - how you are doing it in the first place.

So telling you that I don't like it will not help you, except give you a chance to learn my taste  ;).  I don't expect you or anybody to BAT to my taste; in fact I prefer you and others to make what you love and like yourself, as it will benefit the quality of the stuff that you make. As long as you enjoy making it and are pleased with the result yourself I am sure the quality will only increase while you're doing it more and longer.

I happen to like your own stuff exactly the way you make it (and download and comment and rate it to show my appreciation). If another person makes something that he loved to make himself, and is happy with the result, why should I even say that I don't like and maybe discourage the person to continue?  Let him enjoy making it and having the pleasure of doing so, and be happy with the result himself. I don't want to spoil it for him. Maybe, by continueing with batting, the persons skills will even get better over time.

And in case it's absolute crappy (so not here on the LEX!) and yet uploaded, I doubt if the person will be interested in my opinion at all.... 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vab423 on January 22, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
Yup.  What Fred_Ginger, Elektra, Yoder ... well, pretty much what everyone else said.  I'm mindful and appreciative of everyone's creativeness and hard-work, but compared to, oh, say Vandy's comments, mine are inane and useless.  I mean, truly, how can my "nice job," "fabulous work," or other one-sentence comments really be meaningful?

Besides, I still bear scars from when I made an innocent remark about how nice it was to see what dependency files were needed in a file's download description instead of waiting until I went offline to read the readme, I was called a TM by a BSC member.

In any event, I lurk because in general I don't have anything new to add to something.

But I appreciate everyone's hard work and am glad y'all share it with the rest of us.

edit:  (just read sebes response) and yeah, definitely what Sebes said.  I can only say what I like and don't like and I don't expect *anyone* to make anything simply because of my tastes.  (Besides having been called a TM, there's no way I'm going to run the risk of being called a leech)   ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: narocos300 on January 22, 2007, 03:47:33 PM
Why do you lurk?
Because I don't know many people here!!
And because I'm just getting used to the community here!!

How often do you lurk?
once or twice a day!!

Does your partner know that you lurk?
Sorry I am Currently Single so  $%Grinno$%

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
I Kind of lurk on Simtropolis  ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on January 24, 2007, 08:10:06 AM
Well I only lurk when there is not enough time to put a message down.

Any other lurkers out there?

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vegeman on January 24, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
Yes, I lurk....


But with a 2 and 1/2 year old son   %BUd% , My computer time is really limited and I have trouble even keeping up with the reading part. I'm trying to do better....
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Alek King of SC4 on January 24, 2007, 08:37:22 AM
not anymore, i was a long time ST lurker but jumped right into SC4D.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Gradonacelnik on January 24, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
Why do you lurk?
Because it is a total mystery to me how the rest of you guys became experts at this. Everytime I come across some new piece of knowledge, I follow the links around to get more info and details. By the time I have to stop and go back to the RW the original post is 20 sites back in my browser. I still don't know enough about Loting, Bating and modding to make a journal/diary that I think deserves the time of others to comment on.

The reason I don't post a "thank you" or "way to go" is that my personal belief is, if I can't think of a way to help you make your contribution better I shouldn't take up the space.

When I do manage to post a diary, I won't take offense if not one person thanked me for the effort. I will do a diary for my own gratification. If you have an idea or comment to improve my skillset by all means tell me.

I have also taken a personal vow to never badger anyone with a "Where did you get that" request.

I think all diaries and posts suffer from what I call "Comment Creep". Several factors contribute, the most obvious is the posting meter. I'm not a fan of it. The greatest tragedy is the fact that as you read through the posts that get longer and longer your brain starts to edit out what you don't like and if a post is chock full of things you don't like your brain starts to miss those important posts that contribute to the conversation.

My brain has created the following habit for reading posts.
Spin that scroll wheel like I am on wheel of fortune to find the last post by the author.
Read the post.
Scroll at a good clip to see if any responses included links that are not part of the signature. Those usually are usefull replys with good info at the other end of the linky.
Find the authors response to the responses.
Read what or where they made or got something. Search for those items on the exchanges.

If you posted a brilliant, lucid and beneficial reply that did not meet my habitual criteria then it got missed in between all those WOW's, great job and  &hlp &hlp  $%Grinno$% $%Grinno$% $%Grinno$% $%Grinno$%
There is not enough time in the day to read every single word of every single post.

This site is still fresh and small but it will suffer the same fate of ST with all the clutter of niceness. SimCity is a steep learning curve to master with all of the Modds and user content. Stop being nice and stick to being serious in psotings and discussions. Reward good posters with page views and stars. It will make it easier for members to see what is improtant by not depending on the number of postings.

How often do you lurk?
Daily.

Does your partner know that you lurk?
I only do it in the office. Only have a Mac Mini at home. (Home PC is BSOD, again) 

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
Here, Simtropolis, PEG and where ever the links take me.

My two cents on acknowledging the creators of all this wonderful work is to have a link in the LEX to a Showcase forum. It should be dedicated (or limited) to posts of the in-game use of the contribution. This shouldn't be the truobleshooting or development page. Just a sort of slideshow (scrollshow) of these losts being used in game. I have no idea how to thank the modders but here is my Thank You to them.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: steVie on January 24, 2007, 10:48:39 AM
Yes, I too am guilty of this so called lurking everyone speaks of...not that there's anything wrong with that  :)

I do however, completely agree with EVERYTHING that Gradonacelnik said above me.  Plain and simple, I think his post was spot on.

Why do I lurk?
I'm a huge fan of pretty much anyone who can lot, bat, mod, etc. in this game.  I'm at a loss for those things.  My talents in SC4 can nowhere compare to most of the people here and that's why I'm here...to learn.  I'm not here to cause disruption, confusion or be condescending.  This is the internet and is in no way serious business.  For me, constantly keeping updated with who posted to my post in what thread gets rather trying after a bit, and that's what brings me to my next point.  The PM button.  I'd much rather use this than spread my babble over the internet as there's already plenty of that on any forum of any site you register on.  I'll comment on anyone's work if I truly feel it will bring substance to the topic.  However, I think most of you guys/gals know that you do top notch work or you wouldn't see the downloads of your masterpieces on the rise  :thumbsup: . 

How often do I lurk?
Anytime I can..home or office

Does your partner know you lurk?
I'm single and I still wouldn't give a damn  ;D

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
Here, there, SimPeg, ST and pretty much any forum I'm registered at  ::)

All in all, I'm not a bad person and I'm just here to see what the best of the SC4 community has to offer.  Please, keep up the good work ALL of you.  Thanks for the lots, bats, etc., the LEX and thanks to jeronij for the great site that is SC4Devotion!

Thanks for coaxing me into posting with this topic...now I'm going back into hibernation
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Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on January 24, 2007, 05:20:43 PM
It's interesting to see a few "Lurkers" who have high post counts at Pegs (vicki's you know who you are).  I was a habbitual lurker untill I visited Pegs, and now here.  I'm not much on content, cant create or help create, so alot of what i say is inane chatter, but I like to think that people find me amusing rather than annoying.  I do try to pick my timing.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Fledder200 on January 24, 2007, 06:05:54 PM
were to start... ;)
I always think that the smalest words can mean a lot!
saying "thank you " or "Great update" can mean much more to someone then a super long story!
Yes i lurk sometimes..but who doesn't? But i always try to comment. I know that some people think that becouse they don't write good Engelsh there comments aren't appreciated so they don't leave a comment ( i know this for a fact) and that isn't true!
so.....for all the people that i never or sometimes forget to say "thank you" and "great update" too.....Thank you and Great update... :thumbsup:

and keep in mind there is a Dutch saying : "Wie het kleine niet eert is het grote niet weerd." means : appreciate all the small thing otherwise you don't deserve the big stuff!!

hmzzz is this reply confusing for you as it was for me?
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vab423 on January 24, 2007, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: Diggis on January 24, 2007, 05:20:43 PM
but I like to think that people find me amusing rather than annoying. 
I suppose we all harbor delusions of some sort Diggis.   ;)  ()flower()

Funny about peoples' habits, huh?  I only lurked a short time at Peg's before I started posting but then look over at ST - a bit over 100 and I've been a member for almost 2 years.  I guess it all depends on how comfortable I am in my surroundings.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on January 24, 2007, 11:25:24 PM
I absolutly agree.  It's the relaxed attitude, and humor.  From what I've seen here we might be onto a similar formula.  Looks like the best of both sites are here.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on January 25, 2007, 10:15:19 AM
There are some very logical and understable reasons to keep lurking exposed here  :thumbsup:  ... maybe I will have to hide this topic.... $%Grinno$% ¡¡¡
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Gradonacelnik on January 25, 2007, 11:33:37 AM
I guess I should clarify my remarks a bit.
By all means, prattle on in the show us your....  pages and other sociable topics.

I would just encourage everyone to keep the technical issues pages at a serious tone and demeanor.

As for the Diaries, I think people should abide by the whishes of the Author. If an author revels in your accolades by all means give them their due. If they are modest don't feel snubbed and think them rude for not responding to the applause. Some artists are timid and might come to think that everyone expects a Diary/Journal Author to be a Social Hostess at a party, so they might not post their work for fear of obligatory interaction.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on January 25, 2007, 12:06:20 PM
I do try to stay on topic, at least untill the answers given, then, after we applaud Barby for once again getting it right  ;D the topics are fair game.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: freedo50 on January 25, 2007, 12:48:52 PM
i have to say, although when i joined this site and offered jeronij my help, i intended to be a top poster. Howevre, i have a lot of stuff to do now (im doing my A levels at school) and so i really jsut dont have the time to read thru all the threads and reply. :(

W00t 50th post lol
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on January 25, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
Hi Fred, dont worry amigo, A levels are more important now of course   ::)

Your help was really appreciated and will not be forgotten  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Serkanner on January 25, 2007, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: Diggis on January 25, 2007, 12:06:20 PM
I do try to stay on topic, at least untill the answers given, then, after we applaud Barby for once again getting it right  ;D the topics are fair game.

... haven't seen Barby around here yet ( this topic I mean ), so we will have to stay on topic, for  a while longer  ;D

What was the subject again?
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: BarbyW on January 25, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
Don't ask me, Serkanner, I am a lurker. About to start my 10 steps to non lurker mode. I have taken the first step though as: My name is Barby and I am a lurker.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: narocos300 on January 25, 2007, 03:24:03 PM
And I'm a lurker too ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Fred_Ginger on January 25, 2007, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: barbyw on January 25, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
Don't ask me, Serkanner, I am a lurker. About to start my 10 steps to non lurker mode. I have taken the first step though as: My name is Barby and I am a lurker.

Great and Glorious Godess, I'm so proud of you! &dance &dance &dance
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Traff on January 26, 2007, 12:49:00 AM
How often do you lurk?
   Daily.

Does your partner know that you lurk?
   Yes.

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
   In next answer.

Why do you lurk?
   
  I think that when most people first register to a forum for a particular interest, its usually to get gain
knowledge, answers, or access to something for themselves. Or it could be just to further expand a hobby or interest.

  I lurk at the beginning of joining (any type of) forum/community, as I am always into a hobby of some sort and use a forum
as a learning tool before I can give any flat out constructive critism. I try to give my opinion and help where I
can.

  I agree with many of the posts made above about making "Thank you" and "great update" comments as I know that
any kind of authors secretly love praise. :)

  I'm starting to learn how to make things with the various programs & tools. And its not as easy as I thought
I appreciate all the work people in these kind of communities do, the constant goodies & answers & tips really help people get a grasp on the depth of this game, and the quality of releases and work put in to all the stages of them.

Being new to ST as well, I can't comment on what happened over there. I tend to stay away from the drama, unless to give an outsiders perspective.

I am in the same with Gradonacelnik
When I do manage to post a diary or release something, I won't take offense if not one person thanked me for effort.
But will take offence if nobody in turn said, hey fix this, or this might be better this way.  :thumbsdown:

I am a Lurker but will assimilate.
:)

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on January 29, 2007, 03:46:11 AM
Quote from: Traff on January 26, 2007, 12:49:00 AM
I am a Lurker but will assimilate.
:)

Resistance is futile:

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LOL

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mrgscottc on January 29, 2007, 06:01:04 AM
I'm currently a lurker here.  I have always been a lurker at Simtropolis.  I found it difficult to get my feet wet in such a bustling community.  There was so much going on... the NAM, the BAT, and many excellent CJs. Also, asking a question or looking for viewpoints could be frowned upon if you didn't search or check the Onimbus.  If with your first post, you say:

How do you build cities?

The first reply is someone who has posted over 3,000 times and the person asks you if did a search?  Not a very good practice for a first time poster, i.e., not doing a search.  Not a very good response by experienced member of the community.  The irony is that you might get the response from someone who has posted 100 times or 50 times.  This fact has led me to be a lurker.  RL is also a factor.  Sometimes, you only have time to catch-up...  By the time I started reading SCR, it was it was over 90 pages! 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on January 29, 2007, 11:02:01 AM
Fortunatly we try not to be so rough over here.  We try to answer the question, or will try point you in the right direction.  So pull up a seat and ask away. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dioangel on January 29, 2007, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: Alek King of SC4 on January 24, 2007, 08:37:22 AM
not anymore, i was a long time ST lurker but jumped right into SC4D.

Me too... the only thread I'll go is my cj and jacky's kabin.  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on January 29, 2007, 11:17:03 AM
I dont think 3000 posts means much.... $%Grinno$%
Probably 2500 were sel-fpromoting or "Great Work" posts, probably not very helpful... It is amazing for me to see that some people can believe that increasing its post count at any rate, makes them be more popular or something like that  $%Grinno$%. I prefere quality over quantity. Remember the site's rules  ::)

I was wondering....what about a new thread... To Overpost or not to Overpost.   :D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dioangel on January 29, 2007, 11:24:36 AM
LOL that's a good one! :-D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: moganite on January 29, 2007, 12:22:09 PM
Yep I am a lurker
every day
single no partner to worry about
I lurk at ST Simpeg and several other sites

At ST I have mostly been posting in the private NHP topics and NHP forum as i am too busy learning and extending my abilities in modding and BATTing. Also working on new maps and techniques.

simpeg  I dont feel a great need to post there and prefer to be quiet.

Various other sites likewise

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Katten Gustaf on February 03, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
I am a lurker. I lurk often, at pretty mutch every forum i a registerd on.

The reason I lurk is that I don't like to post unless I have some thing to contribute to the diskusion. At simtropolis i had only a few posts, mainly because the place is so large. I am fine with posting a "thanks" or "nice work" and I apriciate such comments on my own work, but then your post is the 100th such, it just feels stupid. I have a strong distaste for people how post just to increas their postcount, it floods forums with meningless text and makes finding the relavant stuff harder.

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on February 03, 2007, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: Katten Gustaf on February 03, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
I have a strong distaste for people how post just to increas their postcount, it floods forums with meningless text and makes finding the relavant stuff harder.

I coulnd't have said that better  &apls
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Colyn on February 03, 2007, 12:37:49 PM
I am impressed with what I read here ... I most of all impressed with the way this debate is conducted by all participants ...

I dont think I am a lurker but I really get annoyed when people push technical threads off-topic just for the hell of it ... that is the type of posts that easily fall foul of my DELETE key and let me say it here ... if I delete an off-topic post I dont send a PM or get into a debate about it.  $%#Ninj2

The technical threads are the gold and silver of a site like this and I feel we have a responsibility to maintain their integrity so that if a new player arrives and needs some info .... it is available in pristine state and NOT buried among 3500 off topic comments and jokes about cats or dogs or a bad hair day.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Indisguise on February 03, 2007, 06:25:05 PM
well i rarley lurk  ::)

some do cause their unsure of what to say, I know the lot maker/modders and CJ'ers like the responce and imputer of the gamers, just nice to know it's not all for not. I myself rarely comment on the CJ's though i do read quite a few,more cuz I look on the idea the cj's are stories and i kinda see the responces as sort of comercials...;) :satisfied:

I sometime forget to go back and rate lots, because like said before, i wait til I see the  lot in the game and played with it for a bit until I comment, but most of the time i forget to go back and rate the lot, because i'm trying out the next lot,  :-\ you guys sometimes put them out to fast &mmm....but that not a complaint  :thumbsup:...just what ussually happens

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dedgren on February 03, 2007, 07:35:34 PM
This is an absolutely great discussion, and thanks to our friend Nik-Nik for getting it rolling.

I had planned to comment here a few times, but this is one of those threads that demands thoughtful input, and something always came up.  I've now read every comment here carefully (learning a great deal about a few of you in the process), and so here goes...

For whatever it's worth, lurkng is just fine with me.  I definitely hear the folks who explain that they won't comment unless they feel they have something substantive to say, or who feel guilty posting the equivalent of "nice ________________ (fill in the blank)."  I also hear the folks who feel daunted by the learning curve, or by folks who they perceive might be more experienced/informed/knowledgeable than they are.  I am sure, for some, remaining completely anonymous while enjoying the pleasures of SC4D is the way to go.  Hey, whatever works for you!

I lurked at Simtropolis for most of a year before I registered in the summer of 2004.  It was a while before I posted after that.  When I started 3RR in March, 2006, I had made about 30 comments on the forums.  I'd started a few forum threads, all but one of which was totally ignored.  3RR, truth be told, was started on more or less a whim.

I look back now at the early pages of 3RR, and what I see looks outrageously bad (that's referring to what I posted, mind you).  My cities looked like cartoons, I was heavy-handed with just about everything.  That's changed, now.  My SC4 skills have improved (this is self-criticism, mind you- not arrogance).  Why?  Because of the comments and feedback I received while (then) CJing.

In other words, the folks who took the time to post on my thread made me a better SC4 player.  How?  By pointing me in new directions.  By keeping me from getting complacent.  By informing me about the ideas and work of others.  And, probably most important of all, by challenging me to do better than what folks said they really liked a lot.  That last is really important- because if you think a comment like "best you've ever done" is a cop out, and you've got to be more specific, well...in my opinion, you're wrong.  I read comments like that and thought, "Oh man, it's all over unless I can top that."  Or head in some new direction.  Or explore some new dimension.

I've gotten a few (very few) comments from some who I just thought were commenting for the sake of doing so.  Not here, at SC4D, though.  That's because I think, by and large, the 650 or so folks who've signed up to date are all pretty serious about our little shared passion.  "Post counts" and such don't matter here- it's participation that means something.

So, lurk if you will.  But don't be afraid not to.  And don't be afraid to tell someone that their work is nice, or that you enjoy seeing it, or that you you look forward to returning to see what's new.  Those may not be specific and technically oriented comments, but they mean a great deal nonetheless- that is unless you've just made the same comment in the last 10 threads you've posted in.  And, like I said, I just don't see that here.

I tend to see things through the perspective of a MDer/CJer.  I wholly agree with Colyn that threads that warrant technical input should not get "I was here" type posts.  That said, I can't agree with the commenter who said that, ultimately, SC4D would "nice" itself to death just like other fansites.  I respectfully disagree with that.  Being nice doesn't have anything to do with reducing the quality or significance of a comment.  I can be nice, for example, and let you know that I think you are completely wrong.  But that's because I know that telling someone that they're wrong doesn't carry with it that they're also stupid, or talentless, or otherwise personally lacking.  Anyone can make a point, after a fashion.  It separates us from them, though, to make that point well and with tact and, dare I say it, a degree of panache.

Finally, I'll note that my own MD, 3RR, gets a ton of comments.  I love to hear from folks- it's like being with friends every day and you don't know how much I appreciate it, and the things that are said.  But, if you have a only a few minutes at SC4D to spend here and comment- don't come by 3RR.  Visit a MD you haven't looked at lately, or a thread in another topic section you haven't explored yet, and leave a comment there.  I feel pretty secure in knowing you'll be back to see my MD when you have more time.  Others, though, will very much appreciate having their good work get a look and a word or two.

I could say more but this is long, and I'm going to take my sweetheart (wife of ten years this year) out on a date.

You folks take care.


David




Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: greenbelt on February 06, 2007, 07:14:19 PM
 $%#Ninj2 Yes I am a chronic lurker.  Even in RL I hardly ever add to the conversation.  I prefer to listen and learn.  On the rare occasion I have something positive to add, I will.  I like the easy acknowledgement system for the LEX.  I never felt comfortable with the comments section of other exchange sites. 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 06, 2007, 07:26:06 PM
everyone lurks at one time or another, i did it for a long time too, that's why after 2 years on simtrop i only have a little over 630 posts...lol
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Rayden on February 08, 2007, 12:42:13 PM
I don't know if I am a lurker or not nowadays, but I used to be a hell of lurker before. I even went to school and learned how to be a lurker. I joined Simtropolis Lurker School sometime in Feb 2003 and made my first post there last April 2006.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: sim1234 on February 08, 2007, 12:54:57 PM
I lurked for about 5 months on Simtropolis before I made my first post. I mainly only add to threads if I have something positive or useful to say and I don't post just to increase my post count or post for the sake of posting. I've been lurking a lot in the past few months as I've got important exams coming up and don't find much time to post.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Thornton on February 09, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
Why do you lurk?
Hmmm...good question.  I lurk because just reading the posts is enough for me most of the time I feel like there is already enough posts to read and adding more is just page filler ;D, sometimes on other sites for example gamefaqs people really tee mee off. :angrymore:  Most of the time though my lurker side shows itself and I go back into my cave. /wrrd%&

How often do you lurk?
Everyday. $%#Ninj2

Does your partner know that you lurk?
Nope $%Grinno$%

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
Many other sites. "$Deal"$

&dance  &dance  &dance

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Doc on February 09, 2007, 10:30:17 AM
I lurked at ST for a couple of years before I joined. Main reason, though, was I was playing vanilla and everything seemed to be geared for RH. Didn't feel I had anything to add.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Masochist on February 09, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
Oooh...I'm a lurker.  Well...at Simtropolis, I'm a lurker.  That place is sooo big.  There are only certain threads that I actually reply in, and most of them are in the City-Building Concepts area...every now and then I'll try and help someone if they ask.

Then a whole lot of "alternative" SC4 sites started popping up.  For some reason or another, though, I took a liking to this one.  I didn't even really know too much about Jeronij, except that he had this seemingly legendary CJ, but I hadn't even seen it.  I just saw this as an opportunity to be a bigger part of the community, since I have no BAT or modding skillz.  So here I try not to lurk so much.  I don't want to post pointlessly, but I'm not so good at giving criticism.  Still, I try and and put something into all the posts so that they're not so empty or whatever.  Don't know if I do a good job of it.  Lately, though, I haven't even been lurking.  I've only been logging in (because it's part of my morning routine).  It's been crazy.  Anyways...that's my story.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: thundercrack83 on February 09, 2007, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: Masochist on February 09, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
Oooh...I'm a lurker.  Well...at Simtropolis, I'm a lurker.  That place is sooo big.  There are only certain threads that I actually reply in, and most of them are in the City-Building Concepts area...every now and then I'll try and help someone if they ask.

Then a whole lot of "alternative" SC4 sites started popping up.  For some reason or another, though, I took a liking to this one.  I didn't even really know too much about Jeronij, except that he had this seemingly legendary CJ, but I hadn't even seen it.  I just saw this as an opportunity to be a bigger part of the community, since I have no BAT or modding skillz.  So here I try not to lurk so much.  I don't want to post pointlessly, but I'm not so good at giving criticism.  Still, I try and and put something into all the posts so that they're not so empty or whatever.  Don't know if I do a good job of it.  Lately, though, I haven't even been lurking.  I've only been logging in (because it's part of my morning routine).  It's been crazy.  Anyways...that's my story.

I'm in pretty much the same boat as you. Over at Simtropolis, it was a bit overwhelming, with such a vast amount of places to look at, there was almost no choice but to lurk for the most part. Here, though, like you, I am trying to take a more active role in participating here. With no real skills other than support for those who have incredible skills (and there's so many of you!), there's not much that I can give, but I'm trying!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: imaplaybaby on February 10, 2007, 06:10:10 AM
And yet another lurker emerges from the mist....

I have been a member of Simtropolis for several years, most of that time spent as a lurker (such a sinister sounding term).   It seems for the most part, we have all been lurking for very similar reasons: to much info to sort through, nothing new to add, lack of time, etc...  Until this thread I have always considered lurking to be a compliment (why would we waste our time somewhere if we weren't enthralled), I never thought that there could be negative consequences because of our silence.  Additionally, I have discovered still another downfall to remaining in the backround:  I have recently tried to register at simpeg, with no success (I have a post here concerning this problem). Anyway what I have discovered is that having no reputation in the community is like having no credit, you're not a bad risk, but no one knows that!  So, in celebration of this new site, I will occasionally (I am never going to be chatty cathy) rise from the depths of lurkerdom to post my praise of the creative geniuses that make my game play soooo much more exciting, to offer constructive criticism if and when I feel it appropriate and just generally participate more in the community.

imaplaybaby
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mark on February 10, 2007, 07:03:31 AM
        Ive been a lurker on the st for 2 years and never made a single post ,  rl life was real busy at that time and I spent most of my free time playing the game  ( with no custom content at all ) then got addicted to reading some of the wonderful CJ's on there and was envious of the great ideas and images i was seeing which made me a download fanatic.

However after having a major pc failure and losing all  my plugin's( many hours of surfing and downloading ) :(
I have started a fresh, but the speed of the ST is awful most days. however with me finding this great site a my start to post a little more , i just dont like saying things that have already been said.

single :  no i have a girlfriend and 3 children
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: RippleJet on February 10, 2007, 05:34:33 PM
I was lurking at ST for (let me see, january 2004 till october 2006) 33 months before posting my first post.

I consider myself rather shy and before ST I was never a member of any other gaming forums out there. I did, however, learn a lot from my lurking at ST, and I downloaded all those wonderful creations available through STEX.

Seeing how ST has developed over the years I feel sorry for never, ever commenting on the stuff I downloaded. Despite loving to see all that custom content in the game I never wrote a single Thank You anywhere. &ops

Colyn, and all of BSC, this is a very belated Thank You for all goodies you've added to my favourite game! &bis&

After my first post at ST I started to enjoy helping others, especially in the modding aspects of the game. My posts do tend to be on the technical side, aiming at getting things to work. As long as I am concentrating on solving problems for others and helping the way I feel you guys have helped me while I was lurking, I still enjoy it.

At the same time I am also realizing that I will be spending more time over here, and hopefully not just lurking... (I am lurking at simpeg too). However, I still find it difficult to make a post just to say that something looks nice, I would rather be able to add something constructive. Maybe I should work on changing that habit a little... &blush

Jeronij, I finally got to read the thread in your sig. My 11 year old son (Joel) has a classmate (Casper) who is just like Bastian, so I can feel very strongly for you. I also know how much love Casper gives and takes. It is amazing to see how he has developed since I first learnt to know him, at the age of 3. I also know Bastian will grow up and be very proud of his father. I want to thank you for setting up SC4D and wish you all the best!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 10, 2007, 07:00:07 PM
i believe lurking is a good learning tool. it helps you to feel out the site you are in. when i lurked at st i noticed alot of people weren't always getting the help they needed. so i tried to help. and that was the end of my lurking days
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: thundercrack83 on February 10, 2007, 07:20:32 PM
Cali: That's a good point. I did the same thing, only subconsciously. I would spend hours looking around at the wealth of information trying to absorb as much of it as possible, partly because I didn't want to bother people with what I thought were stupid questions. It was only after I could not find the answer I was looking for that I would post. Then, as I got more comfortable and knowledgeable, I attempted to answer other people's questions. For me, the whole thing was a learning process.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Colyn on February 11, 2007, 04:08:52 AM
Well guys lurking is not per se bad ... problem comes if you as a lurker sees things happen that goes against your grain and you keep on lurking ... then when the ship goes down it is too late to say ... Hey dont pull that plug !
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: CabraBuitre on February 11, 2007, 10:46:18 AM
There are times that I lurk, and times that I don't.  If I see something that I REALLY like, then I'm definitely going to say something about it.  If there's something that I think I can add, then I'll definitely say something.  But there are lots of threads that I follow that have SO many comments between posts of the thread originator, that I, at the very most, will post 1/3 times I read *most* threads, if I feel compelled.

I feel that, if I don't have anything constructive to say, then it's not worth it to post after EVERY single update on a thread.  In threads that I've started, I certainly do appreciate every comment that I've gotten, but the ones that I appreciate the most are the ones that have some meat to them... whether they be specific criticisms or notes of encouragement and praise.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on February 11, 2007, 11:10:56 AM
I have found this one.... ()lurker() .... $%Grinno$%
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on February 11, 2007, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: jeronij on February 11, 2007, 11:10:56 AM
I have found this one.... ()lurker() .... $%Grinno$%

Oh thats a good one.  I like it.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 11, 2007, 06:18:46 PM
i found the definition of lurking:   to move about furtively, or wait in a concealed position or a shadowy corner, especially with the intention of doing something wrong. oops wrong definition &mmm
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Masochist on February 11, 2007, 11:20:16 PM
Hmmm...then there's the question of when is it appropriate to go from being a well-known active member of a forum back to being a lurker?  Well, maybe not when is it appropriate, but when do you feel you can make that decision?

(And anyone can answer, but I was asking one member in particular...not going to mention any names, but the initials are DT... %wrd)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Doc on February 12, 2007, 04:25:08 AM
That's a really good question, Masochist. So often I've seen members at sites where I look forward to their comments, advice or other contributions only to find they have just dropped off of the map.

I've actually been lurking here since November or December when I first heard about the site, but that's because I couldn't get my account to activate. I wonder sometimes if there are others out there like me who put off getting pro-active in remedying the problem (my case was just laziness) but are actually out there checking the site out. If anyone IS out there lurking because of an account issue, I highly recommend getting in touch with the staff here. They'll have you up and running in no time. Quick, painless and well worth it!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on February 13, 2007, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: jeronij on February 11, 2007, 11:10:56 AM
I have found this one.... ()lurker() .... $%Grinno$%

I love this Lurking smiley. Please add it to the smiley box LOL.

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 13, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
i like this lurking icon. can we add it?




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Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: godders1979 on February 13, 2007, 07:59:32 PM
Why do you lurk?

I lurk as i never have the time to post. Now that my 6 year old son spends some time at his mothers i can stay up late and read though all the stuff about in these forums. The other reason is that even at the age of 27 i dont know all the new gibberish that people talk and say in these sort of forums. (this is one of the first forums that i enjoy reading!)

How often do you lurk?

once a day!! If i am lucky

Does your partner know that you lurk?

She lives away from me so i suppose thats a no.

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?

I used to lurk on ST, but since finding this site have moved over to enjoy all the custom bits to add to SC4.

I have to say that i have followed all the custom content that has been made over the last couple of years and have downloaded tons of it (about 1gb worth) and feel bad that i have never once said how good the stuff really is. Even more so since i thought that i would have a go a making something for myself in B.A.T, and discovering that i just could not do it or understand how the programs works! So a big thank you to all of you. Keep up the good work and hope to post again soon!

Ben
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Eddie on February 13, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
I lurked here at SC4D for a while (as you can see, I joined Dec. 11). I only started posting a few days ago. I have a question though, and I'm sorry if it's off-topic (I didn't wanna start a new thread). Why did the BSC leave Simtropolis and migrate here and to PEG's site?
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jeronij on February 14, 2007, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: Eddie on February 13, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
Why did the BSC leave Simtropolis and migrate here and to PEG's site?
Everybody is free to upload wherever he/she wants. This is a not relevant question for this site. You can find more than enough information about that in the sites you mentioned, if you want to waste your time doing this  ::) .
There are many interesting threads in this site, where many many interesting themes about SC4 are being discussed. I suggest you to focus on some of these threads, and think ahead and not backwards.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 14, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
great point jeronij. well said. ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Eddie on February 14, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
This just left me more confused... :'(
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Masochist on February 14, 2007, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: Eddie on February 14, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
This just left me more confused... :'(

Basically he said that all that stuff is in the past, and this site is all about the future, so it's not the right place to discuss it.  ;)

Hmmm...back to lurking for me...  &sly
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Eddie on February 14, 2007, 06:40:48 PM
Quote from: Masochist on February 14, 2007, 05:44:49 PM
Basically he said that all that stuff is in the past, and this site is all about the future, so it's not the right place to discuss it.  ;)

Hmmm...back to lurking for me...  &sly

Oh all right. *bugs other people about the past*

You all may resume back to being on topic.  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mattb325 on February 14, 2007, 08:10:38 PM
When I lurk it's either because I want to learn (i.e. I'm reading) or because I have nothing (constructive) to say...
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dioangel on February 15, 2007, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: Doc on February 09, 2007, 10:30:17 AM
I lurked at ST for a couple of years before I joined. Main reason, though, was I was playing vanilla and everything seemed to be geared for RH. Didn't feel I had anything to add.

Me too... I join ST maybe 2004 three days after my father bought me the sc4 game. Didn't come to the board until last year. So I was like of lurking..  :-X
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on February 15, 2007, 09:09:44 PM
Ok so i Come out of the Shadows lol


Im up there with what Doc had said.  I've been lurking around since December and now as of recently wanted to join after I saw about the Datpacker btw its givin me headaches lol i think its all because of my system which is also annoying me  :bomb:......  so about lurking well I tend to be the busy one who doesnt have all that much time to say much but when i get in that fire under me  &hlp watch out i usaly get going.  Colyn you did have a very well put point on pg 1 post # 8.  here is what caught my attention,


QuoteHere on our LEX there is a simple "Thank you" choice and many dont even do that ... it is anonymous and it is not difficult but apparently too much effort ... 2 seconds of the downloaders time aginst dozens of hours of the creator ... hmm ... I wonder.

So LURKERS beware ... if you like the site and keep silent when things happen that affects your enjoyment of the site then you yourself is to blame if the site goes to the dogs.


with that quote Colyn its simply well put and that is how should be and hence that said i will more then likely not be lurking around here but trying my best to show my support for BSC and that is why i decided to take the plunge and say HI im herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre lol and also get all the good BSC goodies that is released cause a certain site lost a great team and i wasnt able to realy help over there and say please stay cause one lone voice in a crowd of many is drowned out or in my case deleted out....  but hey i guess this is my $0.05 worth for inflation lol - pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Bobbo on February 15, 2007, 09:28:44 PM
I really do enjoy this site - it's so peeeacccefull!!!  I consider myself a lurker, I read the post alot but don't say much - but I'm really trying to get out of that habit of lurking, and get involved.  Pat - you're a character!   $%Grinno$%
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on February 15, 2007, 10:11:40 PM
Quote from: Bobbo on February 15, 2007, 09:28:44 PM
I really do enjoy this site - it's so peeeacccefull!!!  I consider myself a lurker, I read the post alot but don't say much - but I'm really trying to get out of that habit of lurking, and get involved.  Pat - you're a character!   $%Grinno$%

&dance &dance &dance &dance &dance &dance

LOL see Bobbo get me out and see what happens  ;D  naw really i try to be pleasant as well if i get out of line someone smack me please and thank you.  wait thats the Mrs job N/M...   Pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Doc on February 16, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
As much as I like to be actively involved in a site, at 5'10" and 170lbs, I think I'll pass on the smacking part, Pat! Besides, as much as an asset as you are to the community, I hardly think anybody will have to worry about you getting out of line.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on February 16, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
LoL Doc ty soooo much that means alot to me...  btw awsome new pic of ya's better then the phone lol
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Rockinfrog on February 18, 2007, 06:51:53 PM
To lurk or not to lurk, that is the question. Weather it is nobler to be quiet and let people think you are stupid, or to open your mouth and conferm it! (or hope someone understands your offthewall sence of humor :P ) I mostly like to read I guess. I will comment if I think I have something relevent to say, (or funny if I feel comfortable enough). I will post questions, but not being technically adept like many here and at some of the other popular sites, I try to post relevent ones. I also don't care squat what my post count is, (except to note that this is my first here). So yeah I am a lurker. I would add my thanks to all those who add to the game and run the sites and contribute knowledge and help to others. You have helped me a great deal weather you know it or not. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: LordTarren on February 20, 2007, 01:19:21 PM
Almost everything that needs to be said by me has already be said by many others in this thread.  I prefer to be a lurker, although I indeed like the word "observer" better.  I have very little to contibute.  I learn from reading and studying threads, like the omnibus at ST for example, instead of getting unnecessarily involved.    But the number one reason for my staying hidden is because I have been banned from at least 5 communities in my day dealing with five different topics, one of which was ST itself way back when, and I do not wish to repeat such misfortune.  I do not handle people well on the internet, it seems, and my opinions, no matter how innocent, have always inadvertently sparked arguments.  I have always felt like the odd-man-out, the outcast, everywhere I've gone.  So if remaining a lurker prevents this from happening again and allows me to enjoy my stay here, so be it.   &ops   

SC4D, from what I've read so far, seems be be an incredibly warm and friendly place, so much so that i've been quite shocked, frankly.  It may become a place I can expose myself to without the usual ridicule, but it will take time.  And as the saying goes, time will tell.   %confuso   ()lurker()


(even making this post is something I find incredibly difficult...&dd)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on February 20, 2007, 01:25:54 PM
Welcome out of the closet, and please join in.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vab423 on February 20, 2007, 01:32:41 PM
Well, if you haven't been banned at Peg's (http://www.simpegasus.com), come on over - we're pretty unflappable over there and we try not to scare people off the first time they post.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Diggis on February 20, 2007, 01:42:22 PM
However the second time they are fair game $%Grinno$%
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vab423 on February 20, 2007, 08:22:03 PM
It *is* warm and friendly over here, Lord Tarren, because cold and antagonistic are strictly forbidden in the  "$Deal"$.   ;)  There are lots of helpful people here so I'm sure no one will ridicule you.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: LordTarren on February 20, 2007, 09:31:39 PM
Thank you, everyone  :sunny:

I don't want to give people the false impression that I actively sought to cause trouble, but I seem to have had the bad luck of always finding places with the most uptight, elitist owners/admins with superiority complexes like you wouldn't believe!  My opinions went against the "status quo"?  :discuss: Bam!  That calls for a banning, no questions asked.   %ban% :(  This place seems to lack that, so yes, perhaps I'll finally have a new haven.....out of the shadows?  We shall see.   %confuso
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Doc on February 20, 2007, 11:35:18 PM
We LIKE differing opinions and points of view, LordTarren! We're all individuals with different perspectives and realize how boring the world would be if everyone thought the same way. Everyone here expresses themselves in a mature, honest manner because well, basically we're honest, mature (more or less) people! That's one of the things that makes this place so cool. Everyone is respected...except for flamers and jerks. And for the flamers, the fire will be put out, along with them, very quickly!

Speak your mind and fear not, LT. You're very welcome here!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: chuckles74 on February 21, 2007, 12:33:19 PM
Peeks in from behind the curtain, must say, i do like the decor around here, very classy.

Guess you could say i've been a lurker at ST for around 4 years, got sim city just before Sims 2 was released as i read that you would be able to make your own sims 2 Neighbourhoods in it. Did i or have i ever done it, lol, no. I've hardly even played Sim city, tried it and got so frustrated with game play that i put it on a shelf and forgot it for a long time. Just recently dusted it off and went back to ST, even posted a couple of messages. Followed Dedgern's cj over here, not to mention finding some of the better quality downloads i wanted for my game here. I don't post too often in any forums i'm a member of, but do try to post useful info when i can, my partner knows i lurk, he's usually lurking at some other forum. I use the forums to learn how to play, love the tutorials, other peoples input etc. This site is great so far, keep up the good work.

.... goes back to her cosy corner in the window to admire the view.

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: petercintn on February 21, 2007, 05:43:08 PM
This is the first site I've felt at home in.  I've been a ST member since July 05 and have 49 post.  But I've read a lot there.

Why have I been a lurker?  Well, I'm weird.  Weird Pete and his reading, Weird Pete and his ideas.  Plus, I have a weird sense of humor.

Quote from: Rockinfrog on February 18, 2007, 06:51:53 PM
hope someone understands your offthewall sence of humor

Me too!

And I hope I've never offended anyone here, never meant to.  Because I've been banned from another site for stating my opinion. (An undisclosed hardware site)  That and some people only feel good about themselves if they make you feel bad have made me a lurker in the past, only posting when I thought it was relevant. 

But I've quit lurking, at least here. 

Why have I quit lurking here.  David really answered this.  I feel part of the community, I know it makes me happy to see a comment left in my MD, even if it's a learning MD.  So I'm trying to leave some comment, pick out something that I really like to compliment the MDer on.  Not to run up my post count, but to encourage the MDer.  I have very little to do, get my daughter off to school, at 16 that's easy, she's on remote now, I no longer have to pull her strings.  Make sure me and Willie (our dog) meet her when she gets off the bus.  The occasional doctor's appointment.  Go to get the mail.  Watch Around the Horn and PTI, some college basketball, maybe the Simpsons, and House (best TV drama.)  Take a nap around 11am.  And I still have a hard time to find time to do the MD.  Rush, rush, rush and the quality lacks.  So a simple "Nice pics" makes my day.  When I worked for a living, I did not have time for games, so I wonder how most of the people have time to put out these wonderful MD"s.  I'm sure they enjoy a reply also.

So please, all lurkers, come out and say thanks, I like that, good tutorial, or best yet, hey, you ever think of this?  No civilization was built in silence.  And I haven't met a mean person yet in 'Devotion.'

Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: socomseal45 on February 23, 2007, 11:33:16 AM
 I do not know why i lurk ()what(). I just do. Maybe because in real life I am usually quiet. On ST, I just stayed in the CJ section posting "good job", "looks nice", etc. I did create my own cj, but that died. I have made 5 lots that I released on ST and am working on another. I might lurk because I feel as though I never add anything useful or feel like I post stupid or embarrasing stuff.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Doc on February 23, 2007, 01:16:54 PM
Socumseal I can guarantee you, you will NEVER be made ot feel stupid or useless here at SC4D. Anything you post will be taken seriously. The members of this site believe in supporting the community and there are no outrageous egos here. They are not welcome.
If you have something you want to say, please post! We'd love to hear it. This community is made up of many voices all with the same love of the game. That's what we're about and that's what we want to hear others talk about. And that includes YOU!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 23, 2007, 08:47:47 PM
well put doc :)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: thundercrack83 on February 24, 2007, 05:23:18 AM
socomseal45: Doc pretty much hit the nail on the head, the only thing I would add is that the only stupid post around here is the one that you don't post! (A little take from the old "only stupid question is the one you don't ask" phrase). Take care!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: tannis40 on February 27, 2007, 11:49:56 PM
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I AM A lurker AS I HAVE THIS GAME  ON MY PC FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO IS HANDCAPPED BUT LOVES TO PLAY SC,I GET HER ALL THE MODS YOU LOVLEY PEOPLE MAKE SO A BIG THANK YOU FROM MY DAUGHTER AND MYSELF TANNIS
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Archangel on February 28, 2007, 03:07:34 AM
Whew.  I know I lurk in threads that have too many posts. ... usually i read a few then get bored and go somewher else....the same is for Cjs as well.  As far as this site goes, im trying to come out of the lurking cupboard because i wanna give it a chance.  Yall have been workin hard to ensure this is a small town cozy site, unlike the big city feel of ST. 

Actually, to be honest, most my lurking has been out of curiousity, having come into the scene just before the incident [wont waste time chatting about it], and wondering what this "BSC" was all about.  I beleive in looking at both sides of the story, so on one side I heard that they were egotistical and etc [basically unfavourable remarks] so on the other side i have found you to be... i dunno, i see yall as normal people.  At first my lurking gave me the observation that this place seemed rather "Stepford wives", like a really fake kind of ":) LEts love each other and not talk about the ST Thing, unless a few cleverly subtle remarks basically saying ST sucks"

Drr, i was biased.  But i can look at this site without the bias, having a similar experience recently, and frankly, im tired of lurking (ook...well the lurking that i did do anyway) and im getting kinda tired of the sc4community, and im finding myself in the game more than ever....

Basically im here to try to rekindle my love of the community.  I just started posting like last night so im not sure if its working yet, but i can say ive had some fun reading the forum games :)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on February 28, 2007, 05:05:18 AM
I am glad to see read that a lot of you "used-to-be-lurkers" are joining us at SC4D and feel at home by being not threatened or battered in stating your opinion in a professional cq. adult way.

Keep on posting your reasons on lurking.

Nik-Nik
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cali on February 28, 2007, 02:59:51 PM
indeed Nik, indeed :)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on February 28, 2007, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Archangel on February 28, 2007, 03:07:34 AM
Whew.  I know I lurk in threads that have too many posts. ... usually i read a few then get bored and go somewher else....the same is for Cjs as well.  As far as this site goes, im trying to come out of the lurking cupboard because i wanna give it a chance.  Yall have been workin hard to ensure this is a small town cozy site, unlike the big city feel of ST. 

Actually, to be honest, most my lurking has been out of curiousity, having come into the scene just before the incident [wont waste time chatting about it], and wondering what this "BSC" was all about.  I beleive in looking at both sides of the story, so on one side I heard that they were egotistical and etc [basically unfavourable remarks] so on the other side i have found you to be... i dunno, i see yall as normal people.  At first my lurking gave me the observation that this place seemed rather "Stepford wives", like a really fake kind of ":) LEts love each other and not talk about the ST Thing, unless a few cleverly subtle remarks basically saying ST sucks"

Drr, i was biased.  But i can look at this site without the bias, having a similar experience recently, and frankly, im tired of lurking (ook...well the lurking that i did do anyway) and im getting kinda tired of the sc4community, and im finding myself in the game more than ever....

Basically im here to try to rekindle my love of the community.  I just started posting like last night so im not sure if its working yet, but i can say ive had some fun reading the forum games :)

Hey archangle,
im glad u decided to come out of the closet of lurking, from what i read of your style of posting you seem to be straight forward
and that is the best person ever to be.  That is also a great asset of one in communitys cause you can actuly boost someones day
in just being you.  ok enough of the hubbub lol j/k  ;)
Yes SC4Devotions you can say is the small town where everybody knows everybody and if there is a problem
well see for yourself people jump in rite away and try to help.
even in Mayor Diares where im soon to post my CJ errr Mayor Diary i noticed that here there is quick comments
and they aint affraid to help.  Yes ST is the comparsion to Metroplis Bigggggggggg City lol.
take care and hope to see you around more - pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: branch5 on March 02, 2007, 12:35:31 PM
I am a habitual lurker. I used to be much more vocal in some newsgroups (alt.2600.warez was my home for a loooong time), but I got tired of being caught up in flame wars and the troll wars, so I began to take the role of observer and keep out of the fray.

I've lurked at ST and PEG's for quite awhile now, but I really like the open atmosphere here and have decided to come out of my shell and get involved. Reading the posts of others who have lurked and then become active has inspired me to open up the tools available and see what I can produce that will bring enjoyment to others. I'm still pretty intimidated by the BAT and other tools - not to mention all of you whose skills are so evident, but I reworked a few lots in the Lot Editor and really got a charge out of seeing my creations grow in my cities. So, I'm going to get more familiar with the tools and start creating new things rather than just reworking old lots.

Now that you have me out of lurk mode, you'll probably want to begin thinking about ways to get me to shut up!  ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: NikNik on March 05, 2007, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: branch5 on March 02, 2007, 12:35:31 PM

Now that you have me out of lurk mode, you'll probably want to begin thinking about ways to get me to shut up!  ;D

Well we will think of something to shut you up Branch5:  ;)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radgraphics.net%2Fimages%2Fmain%2Fatomic%2520explosion%2520-%25204.jpg&hash=d67a61cccb33f3ae0082383bcd85f1eeb2343bc7)

:D

Nik-Nik

PS Welcome of course!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: branch5 on March 05, 2007, 03:06:35 PM
Bwahahahaaa  &apls
I did that to one of my cities just yesterday!!

Love it!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Coldgob on April 25, 2007, 01:48:28 PM
     Hello Niknik
  First question is Define lurking !  I have been regeistered on SC4devo, for about 4 days now, and already have been on for 6 Hrs and 38 mins.
    At what point do you consider lurking, living?  (joking!) 
Being on this Website, with most of what i would call (gods) Super Batters, and actually feeling welcome, is one thing that ST  NEVER did !!
   I have been a member of ST for about 3 or 4 years now,  and the one thing that always annoyed me, was the fact that as a (Newbie) if you posted something there;  there were at least 20 people to criticize you for posting in the wrong place, or miss spelling, or using Caps.  No wonder ST's forums have  38,987 posts on one question,  and the worst thing was that only two of those post answered the question.
   I have spent most of my time here (lurking) reading  alot of the material here, looking at all of the Awsome work, both in the bats aswell as the pictures the other members have put out !
   This is probably the largest post i will ever type !  (old fart, that chicken pecks on the keyboard)
   But i did want to say thank you all, for the Bats, ideas, and Fun !!!

          Kevin
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: euphonial on April 29, 2007, 11:14:06 AM
I have "lurked" elsewhere in the past. (Obviously I'm new here!) 
It was partially because I felt intimidated that I had, say 15 posts, while others who had 3000+ made comments about new people, but it's mostly because of how I am in real life, too; if I have nothing important to say, I usually don't say much at all   :)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: flame1396 on July 02, 2007, 09:26:35 PM
Well... I often dont have anything useful to say. And I hate spammers and hypocrisy so.....

I try to comment MDs though because as an MD owner (link in sig lol) I know how much getting comments means...
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: BigSlark on July 02, 2007, 10:22:48 PM
I lurked at ST for nearly three years before I started posting. I have found that when you're a vocal, active member of a GOOD community that it makes the game more fun and is generally entertaining. I'm sure there's a sociology paper in there somewhere, but I'm not a sociologist...

Granted, I don't post in every thread, only places where I have something to contribute or I want to tell someone "Job Well Done," which is what I normally do in BAT/MOD threads.

So, if you're lurking, come out of hiding! I promise most of us don't bite...hard. :D

Cheers,
Kevin


Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 06, 2007, 07:50:53 PM
we lurks yes precious we does. we lurks for we is in awe of the great ones and we is not worthy, we is not worthy!

All things aside, i lurk because i don't feel that i should open my big mouth unless i have something to say. Also i lurk because i like to follow stuff like the Big Dig project but as i have little to none BATing experience i just watch and learn from the masters.

There. I've said my piece, now i leave to lurk over at 3RR.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 06, 2007, 08:34:44 PM

no lurkies!!!!!!! lurking is so not fun by taking part in the conversation you get to know people  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 06, 2007, 09:14:25 PM
hey i only lurk when i feel that i have nothing to contribute to the conversation. anyway i do know what you mean. it's not much fun to post anything and then have no one say anything for days.

and the 3RR lurking is because the rest of the world is on page 78 and i'm still on page 7!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 06, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
LoL Dragon its allll good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 06, 2007, 09:33:22 PM
yeah.. hey pat thanks for being a regular commenter on my MD. lurking is good as long as it is lurking for learning puposes.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: le_harv on August 07, 2007, 01:23:14 AM
Time is precious! I get so little time to enjoy SC4 that I would rather play than comment too much as it takes time! Not to say I am an unfriendly person in anyway!

Some sites are just too large and u kind of get lost in all the white noise but on the plus side if u take a moment to read the larger sites your question is usually already answered. Smaller sites are easier to un-lurk as you are more likely to be heard but sometimes it can be like trying to break into a new group of friends. Its ok when everyone seems so nice though!

It depends really how you use your SC4 online experience, If you are looking for info and custom content you tend to lurk. If you are looking for social interaction and to be a part of something then you are more likely to engage.

I lurk and will only comment if I think I can add value, I use my simcity online time to get away from social pressures in RL so its nice to be silent in the background but take in all that is around rather than be the centre of attention (sounds big headed, sorry). I guess the real beauty of these kind of fansites is you can do exactly what you want! Lurk or not to lurk that is the question!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 07, 2007, 11:07:24 AM

Hey Le_Harv im glad you took the time to stop by and say hi and not to lurk for a moment... I do have to say one thing though about what you said about breaking into a group of friends well here if you play Sim City you are friend we havent met yet... - pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: northjon79 on August 18, 2007, 09:31:14 AM
Back in the day I used to lurk on a variety of sites - usually just gleaning info on whatever subject was covered there.  Then I started to run my own sites with forums and this subject interested me (long since past lurking myself, I love to post - in fact I post more than I work, post more than I play games I post about - generally I whore myself to forums :D).

I often found many lurked due to a sense of being outside an established community on a board - not in the main cliques so to speak; or lurked due to an overwhelming amount of information - usually good info, but lost to bad layout; and the big one here:

Not being a regular forum "type". Basically being your grandma/mother/father whatever and not used to the internet beyond email and amazon, and so uncertain of the how/why of forums in general.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 18, 2007, 09:34:36 AM
 :D :D NorthJon79 welcome welcome to devotions that by far is the best post i seen yet lol... so remember to work and post away.... If you need any help at all don't be afraid to ask for it - pat  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: fernby on August 20, 2007, 03:15:02 AM
I lurk, therefore I am.

I enjoy playing SC4, as does everybody else who writes on these forums. I enjoy and appreciate, and am constantly in awe of, the massive creative job those who submit custom content across all websites devoted to SC4 undertake.

I enjoy reading the journals, diaries and forums. However, I rarely feel the desire to become involved in ongoing dialogues with other members. I prefer to keep my comments to the simple and easy to read. Like "well done, great LOT my friend", which is what people want to hear when they spend all their time and energy on something that not only looks great, but enhances the game.

I leave the debates and arguments about minutia to those who can type faster, but have a greater grasp of the English language than I do.

I lurk, therefore I am.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 20, 2007, 05:22:47 PM
ummm....fernby, don't aussies already speak english?
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Eddie on August 20, 2007, 06:26:57 PM
I lurk because--for lack of a better term--it's slow here at SC4D. Not that the servers lag or anything, but because it's a small (growing) site and there's not many conversations that I feel I can take part in.

It feels like a farm. Quiet, comfortable. I like sitting back and relaxing, catching up on CJ's now and then. Think of it as sitting on the front porch and watching the sky set. It's very peaceful. No need for many words.

However, on other forums I'm registered on, I have well over 1,500 posts (about 20 a day) in less than a month because it's the kind of site that you just have to join the conversation. It's active, lively, and busy (about 1400 people online all the time). It's the kind of site that you just can't help but post.

I'm more laid-back and quiet here.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 20, 2007, 07:21:56 PM
yeah, that's kinda the feeling i get as well. the site is very relaxed, and doesn't have a feeling of "hurry, hurry" like the other two sites i am registered on do. i've already posted in this forum, but its all good.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: SizzlaKalongi on August 21, 2007, 10:53:44 AM
            Greetings,

                         yeah, I second that Eddie and Dragonshardz. I learn more sitting back in the background reading the cj's and experimenting.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vistla on August 26, 2007, 11:33:43 PM
It is better to be silent and thought a fool, then to speak up, and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 26, 2007, 11:36:10 PM

lol thats a funnie one vistla
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: vistla on August 26, 2007, 11:43:50 PM
It's not as funny as the old Illuminatti motto; "Silence is golden".
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: dragonshardz on August 27, 2007, 03:40:32 PM
beauti ful vistla, i'm putting that in my signature.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: thundercrack83 on August 27, 2007, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: vistla on August 26, 2007, 11:33:43 PM
It is better to be silent and thought a fool, then to speak up, and remove all doubt.

That's a good one, my friend! I've heard it before, but with a different (and more inappropriate) word than fool!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Madeira aka Constantina on September 11, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
once i joined this site i have fallen in love with it people because there are not many sites about simcity 4 that are so busy.

registering in this site resulted in my unique signature.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: existenz on September 11, 2007, 11:00:27 PM
Well I'm a lurker mainly because I only bought SC4 + RH 3 weeks ago. I had to reinstall everything after 3 days of downloading because I was too eager and stupid to check each and every single readme so had lots of brown boxes!
Just spent the last two weeks redownloading and am almost glad I have come to SC4 late as there is so much new content - ie Simgoobers new Mega stuff (Thanks Barby &apls) Because of the amount of content I have DL'ed I havent had time to play until yesterday ( YAY no brown boxes)
I spent the last two weeks also learning heaps from everyone, reading CJ's (especially 3RR and Ensenada) Great one guys ()stsfd() SO when I learn how to play I might start posting more - may even learn to bat/lot/mod.
I have lurked and posted in other forums mainly Tilted Mill as I play COTN and have made a scenario or two for that game. I love research mainly I like to be well informed before I make a comment. Will get back to comment on some if not most of my D/Ls from this site but in the meantime I am amazed at the creativity and talent here on this site and will continue to lurk and maybe post occasionally. So thank you to everyone who have made this site a great place to sit back and enjoy a cuppa while learning. :)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Thundercry on September 26, 2007, 09:09:25 PM
Hello, My name is thundercy, and I am a recovering lurker.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: fernby on October 07, 2007, 04:57:50 AM
Welcome thundercry. I laughed so much i snorted my coke out of my nose.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on October 14, 2007, 04:19:47 AM
I lurk but only because everybody else is too slow in replying
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: callagrafx on October 14, 2007, 04:25:42 AM
Quote from: fernby on October 07, 2007, 04:57:50 AM
Welcome thundercry. I laughed so much i snorted my coke out of my nose.

I do so very much hope you meant this:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.makezine.com%2Fblog%2Fcoke.jpg&hash=c4f83402630e960a2f212b0152b2c86481e58c01)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: sithlrd98 on October 14, 2007, 08:32:13 AM
I lurk mainly because I usually don't have much to contribute more than what already has. I will help someone if I know the answer , but usually I like looking at all the pretty pictures. :P

Thanks Cal...I'm thirsty!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: fernby on October 14, 2007, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: callagrafx on October 14, 2007, 04:25:42 AM
I do so very much hope you meant this:
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yes, i meant the drink, not the illegal white powder.  kids, don't do drugs.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on October 14, 2007, 07:42:54 PM

Oooooh man i should come around here more often for a  good laugh.....   :D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: fernby on October 15, 2007, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: patfirefghtr on October 14, 2007, 07:42:54 PM
Oooooh man i should come around here more often for a  good laugh.....   :D

just don't be drinkin' coke when you do, otherwise it might come out your nose. I speak from experience.... unfortunately.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on October 15, 2007, 08:48:51 PM
LoL i will heeed that warning lol
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: xxdita on October 15, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
Well, I have been lurking around here for the last 6 weeks or so, just trying to catch up. I have joined other sites, but never paid attanetion to the boards, because of not knowing anything at all about modding/batting/lotting. Really, I'm just in awe of it all. From the smallest things, like a set of adult billboards for my seedier districts, to the game- (and almost life-)altering CAM.
Like many, I don't feel a need to post unless I have something I believe is useful. If I have a question, then I try to read any threads where it may already have been answered before asking, so that people don't get tired of repeating themselves. There are few problems that I can actually help with, considering I'm only a player.
For the threads here where people are showing their latest works, all I can say is "Ooooh I want that..." But that won't speed up the release. It'll be finished when it's finished. Any ideas I would have for a building or a lot have probably already been made.
So I will continue lurking. Waiting ever-so patiently for projects like the Plaza Mall, anything SimGoober, all things BTE enabled (which I LOVE, but will probably never really understand), and everything else all of you people do to make my game better every day.
But I will at least try to give feedback when I can, just so all of you batters, lotters, and modders know that somebody is out there appreciating your works.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on October 16, 2007, 10:46:13 AM
QuoteIt'll be finished when it's finished
@NAM team: people must finally be listening lol

Quoteto the game- (and almost life-)altering CAM

Too true mr, too true.

QuoteThere are few problems that I can actually help with, considering I'm only a player.
Like me, well old me, i read up on everything and now i can help people that get stuck.

QuoteAny ideas I would have for a building or a lot have probably already been made.
thats not the way to think about it.. what if SimGoober thought that or wouanagaine or anyone that does anything from BATting to just helping new people, theres always something for you to do on a SC4 fan site.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2007, 10:51:33 AM

Some Kernells of truth as spoken by Joe.....
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on October 16, 2007, 11:01:49 AM
only some??? what did i do wrong... lol &mmm
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2007, 11:11:15 AM

welll if you got more then share lol...
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on October 16, 2007, 11:14:35 AM
you have truly confused me greatly... well done sir spamalot (btw wana come over and spam at my forum??? LOL)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Shadow Assassin on October 22, 2007, 02:58:20 AM
I think he means that you've got more kernels of truth up your sleeve.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: fernby on October 22, 2007, 06:24:10 AM
ahhh kernells. I often wondered what form wisdom took, now I know it to be a "kernell of wisdom".

I shall make the proper adjustments to wikipedia right now!

;D ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: quackmofro on November 11, 2007, 01:12:23 AM
I've been at SC4D since September. The main reason I've lurked is simply because I feel that I wouldn't contribute to the discussion. When it comes to SC4, I feel like a beginner and sometimes get lost in the discussion about BATing and modding and whatnot. Most everyone has become so knowledgeable about the game that they have been able to take it apart and make it into something even more incredible. So, I keep my mouth shut mostly because I don't want to seem like a fool.

The other reason is that reading the ongoing discussion is entertaining enough that I almost prefer to not chime in. Every day I come to this site and read updates on progress on 3RR, RHW/MIS/NWM, MDs, various BAT projects and more. It's really a blessing to have a forum without the constant flaming that I've seen on others, and the amount of work that people put into this game is astounding. Generally, I just like to stop by, check out what's been happening, and then head to class or lab. However, I would like to become more of a contributing member to this community in the future.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on November 11, 2007, 01:16:36 AM
as we would love to see you around the forums more there Quackmofro... Its always good to see someone new posting and let it be knowing now that you are posting you are part of the family so dont back out now lol.... naw its alll good there quack, if you have a question dont hesitate ask.... - pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on November 11, 2007, 10:43:58 PM
and the best part about these forums for the more experienced members is teaching stuff to new people... tho it may sound zzz I really really enjoy doing it...even tho i do consider myself still a n00b (there's just soooo much to learn :D)

and another point... most creators/MD'ers/people like to here posts from whoever stops by, even if they do seem to ignore them or pass them by... its a psychological thing LOL :P everybody loves to here praise.

hope my kernels have proven to be useful again LOL

Joe
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: El Burro on November 20, 2007, 02:58:27 AM
I've been lurking for a while... I don't know why I never post ???

19th of May joined it seems... yesterday was my 6th month anniversary, whoo... ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: alidonkey on November 28, 2007, 06:44:21 AM
Hi, my name is Don and I'm a lurker. :-[ I've been a member of LA (Lurkers Anonymous) for... *counts fingers* *counts toes* ... too long. Why do I lurk? Well, I lurk because it's safe. I don't like conflict so I try to avoid it. That and I have an ego made of glass with a sensitivity level through the roof (I'm oversensitive). I'm much more likely to send a PM then to post in a thread. If I'm absolutely sure I know what I'm talking about I will post but then I'll run and hide for a few days. Also due to my lack of social skills (and poor grammar) I'm afraid of being misunderstood. So I feel that I'm doing everyone a favor by keeping my mouth shut, though according to Colyn this is bad so I will make an effort to change. I read forums maybe 3 times a week on average... sometimes more... sometimes less. I lurk on many sites... only two of them sc4 related. Umm... that's about it.

...oh and yes, my wife knows.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: rooker1 on November 28, 2007, 07:29:42 AM
alidonkey,
You joined July 10, 2007, 10:52:33 AM and made two post today so I won't welcome you to this site, but I will say your grammar reads perfect to me and I highly doubt anyone here will shatter your ego on purpose.  ;)

Robin   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on November 28, 2007, 09:39:38 AM
Don (alidonkey), I am in the same situation... I lurk like mad, only because I dont want to seem like I spam because my grammar/composing skills are (lets face it) crap...

I read the site every day; morning and night. Yet I post infrequently. (some may cheer at this point :p ) This is because I'm shy and I HATE conflict, and negativity.

I hope you get over this fear and become a valued member of the site.

Joe
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JanYpe on November 29, 2007, 07:34:52 AM
I lurk because I am a shy and delicate flower.  &ops
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: BigSlark on December 06, 2007, 09:10:10 PM
Dont worry, Jan! We all attempt to play nice, and if we dont, well the long arm of David keeps everyone in check.

Mayor Diarist, LOTers, and BATers all appreciate and welcome feedback from their fans. That is always the "safest" place to start.

Cheers,
Kevin
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Owen Luby on December 29, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
I used to be all about post-counts and member labels... Pff, those are gone days. I now post only when I deem it necessary. You could call me a semi-lurker...

And damn it isn't everyone tired of the lifeless, repetitive "Great update! Can't wait for more" cliche comment very common at ST and less common but still predominant here at SC4D? :bomb: 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: catty on January 29, 2008, 02:40:38 AM
I lurk here and on the Simtropolis and Simpeg sites not because I don't appreciate all the efforts and great additions to the game and the people that make them for us, but if I make a comment or post to a forum, I hope its because I have something constructive or useful to say not just empty words, and I know it took me a while before I made my first posting to a forum in Simtropolis.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Sapphire Blue on April 06, 2008, 03:13:49 AM
I do not consider myself a lurker, (this term sounds rather sinister, surely someone could come up with a better name), although I do read a lot of the threads without posting, not because I am shy or afraid but because I am still learning and as yet do not have enough knowledge to make a useful contribution.  I am still trying to get to grips with the jargon, terminology and all the acronyms,  it took me ages to work out that RL meant real life!

I enjoy playing SC4 and love the custom content on this site.  I really appreciate the hard work that the everyone puts in to bring all this together and make it work.  (I would add the handclapping icon here if I could work out how to add it to the message!!) see what I mean, I still have a lot to learn.   If and when I feel I have something constructive to contribute I will post.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: j-dub on April 06, 2008, 06:49:06 PM
@ Saphire Blue, Welcome to the forums, you should see a set of icons above where your typing your post, simply click on the handclapping icon, &apls right above, you should get an & symbol with the leters apls added to whatever, you typed, you press post, and bam! its there. I use to lurk too myself, maybe if I hadn't said stuff, and still did, the pros who felt offended wouldn't lower my karma. I am not one to do so. Thats taken advantage of, but hopefully doesn't discourage people, don't let a bad reputation stop you from the truth. 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: peacemaker23 on April 23, 2008, 12:27:48 AM
if you are reading this, it means the unthinkable has happened_ i am a lurker  &ops
i cant remember when i joined SC4D, but hasnt been for too long...i only really read the MD's, i am a real noob at SC4 compared to most people and i just never felt i was good enough to post..i felt so alone cause everyone was part of their little teams and had all their friends and then i came in and i just felt like an outcast  %confuso
well i promise ill try and post more and be part of the community no matter how little my contribution is  ()stsfd()
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: xxdita on April 23, 2008, 02:18:50 AM
I think it's good to start out as a lurker. There is so much information to absorb, that it often takes a while to get caught up with it all.
No need to feel like an outcast Peacemaker, come join us in the Forum Games and get acquainted. Then as you have questions, about the game, or any custom content available here, just ask.
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Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on April 23, 2008, 07:28:27 AM
The forum games are where all the action is at ;)... cause I am there ;) lol

and dont be afraid, thats a problem  I have in RL.. its poo

Joe
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on April 23, 2008, 07:49:04 AM
Peacemaker Hey I'm Pat and I want to let you know that there is really no such click or whatever here!!! We love anyone that post and says hi and that what makes this community sooo great!!!  Sure there has been a few problems but that happens in any community...   

I'm glad you are not lurking anymore and are not afraid to post!!!! To show you how lax this community is just ask for help and I can bet within an hour or maybe few someone will help you out and not make you feel like a NoOb about it...

I do agree with Nate aka xxdita and Joe aka Star.Torturer that the forum games is the best place to start out and that is where I think everyone does start... Heck I started there as well, it will also show you that we are all friends here for the love of the game.....

OK my verbiage is done now lol and again welcome to posting on Devotions!!!   BTW if you look in your profile it will tell you when you registered...   see you in the forums


patrick
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Kpatrol88 on May 04, 2008, 07:42:45 PM
&sly

Well now's a good a time as any for a first post...

Hello, My name is Kpatrol88 and I am a lurker.

Usually, I lurk a board because they often post topics which pertain to something I am interested in but do not have much experience in. Like many have said before me, I believe in the "watch and learn" philosophy. I find that if I cannot say beyond a single sentence on the subject or have some sort of relevant information on it, I stay silent and watch the posts go by, taking notes along the way. I guess you can say I'm easily intimidated by poster interaction.

That isn't to say I don't enjoy a thread, you just won't know I am.  $%#Ninj2

As a lurker, you can say I am well traveled. I've lurked many different boards of all walks in my time on the internet: the N-sider forums (before they went down),  System Wars at Gamespot (actually I was semi-active there in defense of the Big N), gamefaqs (*shudder*), NeoGaf, deviantart, somethingawful, and a multitude of web-comics forums (including *shameless plug* Megatokyo, a good comic *shameless plug*). Hell, I've lurked the Penny Arcade forums for over 8 years now to this day.

...

%wrd Heh, now I'm just rambling.

Anyway, I guess all that's left to say is...
Thank You, Nik. Thank you for giving us lurkers a chance to contribute to your fine community.
And a special thanks to those teams and people who do work tirelessly to make SimCity 4 the best it can be: NAM, CAM, BSC, jenoji,
...everyone.

We shall continue to do our lurking with honor in your presence! *salutes*

;) Who knows, we may post again...
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on May 04, 2008, 09:44:13 PM
LoL Kpatrol88 you wasn't ramblin man at all!!! I actualy found a lot of useful information...  I think now that you are posting you wont stop as some have said before you and heck I was like that at one point and time lol... But anyways Kpatrol88 welcome to devotions and posting too  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: HandsOn on May 05, 2008, 02:45:26 AM
As many here can attest to, I am no longer lurking. I certainly did at STEX, because it makes it easy for the lurkers. But there was another reason for lurking, hiding: too many sites permitted flaming and downright abuse if you did not conform to the lingo or the prevalent mood. THus participation was not an option. Thus in some four years, I gushed maybe ten, twenty times, even though I was on-site nearly daily.
Besides, the lurkers outnumber the posters surely ten to one: there's safety in those numbers..
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: paroch on May 05, 2008, 02:56:08 AM
Hi to all lurkers,

I used to lurk all the time, but there's something about SC4D that makes it easy to be part of the community here.  And you know, post a comment or two in most of the MDs here and the author will always be polite (we love watching the post count increase!).

The picture competition is also an easy place to post.  Everyone has an opinion and all you have to do is say who you vote for, no need to even give a reason.

So, be happy you lurkers but feel free to say HI from time to time!

Paul
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on May 05, 2008, 03:10:31 AM
Yeah, hola to the lurkers, A list of places you want to try out (cause they are all good):

- Forum Games (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?board=8)
- Picture Competition (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=804)
- MD section (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?action=collapse;c=18;sa=expand#18)

These are all great places to start posting, I started in the games section, I am sure quite a few people have done, so you wont be the first, and wont be the last ;)

Joe
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: cameron1991 on May 05, 2008, 04:01:00 AM
I lurk all the time.
I lurk here, at ST and I also do the occasional lurk around Deviantart (man theres some awesome stuff there!)
When I post, I like to say something more than "Great job! Keep up the good work!  :thumbsup:", and give constructive criticism, like saying what I like about a picture, not saying that I just like it. But usually I cant think of anything better to say than that.

I dont lurk at my clans website and forum. Im not sure why, but I just post there more, maybe its just that we have more in common? (The sites called www.ozps3party.com (http://www.ozps3party.com) and everyone has a PS3, hence the name  ;) also we are all from either Australia or New Zealand)

I dont lurk as much as I used to, but I still lurk alot....
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Kpatrol88 on May 05, 2008, 04:11:19 AM
 :)

Thanks for the welcome Pat. I hope to become a more productive poster on these boards, or, well... at least a regular one anyway, heh.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Meastro444 on May 05, 2008, 04:31:32 AM
hello

not such a lurker here, but still, i rather watch and learn as the guy above me ;)

the only place i am active is on the simpeg bords (*cough* 2300 post *cough*)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on May 05, 2008, 04:34:30 AM
Maestro: your sig stats that resistance is futile... that is only true when it is less than 1 ohm... :P
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Unassigned on May 11, 2008, 06:03:42 AM
As a newcomer & SC4 newbie I find I have very little to contribute...when I need to know something I search for it & always find postings by someone who has far more SC4 knowledge than I have (I haven't had a question which was not already answered somewhere either here on SC4D or on Simtropolis). So I lurk. And download stuff to enhance my SC4 game. And get wiser. As for contributing game enhancements, I'm not a graphics oriented person, so there (OTOH I currently have lots of free time on my hands so perhaps maybe in the future).

If I posted it would just be so much spamming & trolling & topic derailing attempts, I can be vey good at that, have done my part in forums humour. You want? I can deliver.  :P
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: tooheys on May 11, 2008, 06:41:10 AM
Unassigned. keep it on topic and add some humour, well go for it. I was a lurker for a long time. All I can say is if there is a post or thread that has impacted the way you play then let it be known. Ok, you may not be able to add a lot to the thread, but I can guarantee you that the author will be pleased to hear from someone he has helped.

So lurk away, but we are a friendly bunch, don't be afraid to add your 2c worth.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on May 13, 2008, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: Unassigned on May 11, 2008, 06:03:42 AM
If I posted it would just be so much spamming & trolling & topic derailing attempts, I can be vey good at that, have done my part in forums humour. You want? I can deliver.  :P

LoL Unassigned I think by far that is the best statement Ive seen in a looooooooong time!!!  As long as its in all good fun and no harm intented then by all means deliver lol  ;D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Cosmic on May 13, 2008, 07:24:46 PM
I lurk alot on ST, not so much here, but a bit. Usually when I'm not in a social mood for the day... But I get over it pretty quickly...

I've pretty much been a lurker on ST since I joined it, about 2 or 3 years ago (earliest: mid-2004), but here, not so much (maybe a few hours a day when I'm on here, then I come up with something to say somewhere or another.)

I also lurk a bit on Peg's forums (I only have 16 posts there :P) and pretty much browse the exchange there and look along the side for new posts only during a day. (I'm beginning to post there too!) But now that I have 40 posts here (hooray! this post is my 40th), I'm beginning to get the hang of things around here... I'm a pretty nice guy in a general situation, yet I'm quite competitive in others... I'm a good team-player, and can follow directions pretty well in such cases...
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: yochananmichael on May 26, 2008, 07:39:43 AM
I used to lurk but recently I have been posting a lot more in my favorite MD 3RR and introducing myself to others on this site. So I guess you could say I am a "reformed lurker"
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: frdrcklim on June 30, 2008, 04:16:13 AM
I don't lurk in SC4D that much. I post when I want to say something. I go to Show us your... threads often and look but sometimes I don't say anything. When something wows me, I leave a comment.

I lurk more in simtrop but I still leave some comments. However, I don't use simtrop that much anymore for forums except CJs (and just to download too).

Yes, I admit I lurk on other sites especially those that I don't have an account on. I don't want to make an account, but I keep visiting anyways. ??? I won't tell what sites they are. It's kinda like my personal thing or something. I wonder if they ever get the feeling that they're being watched by the same person without them noticing it ???.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: CommodoreTech on July 31, 2008, 08:16:07 AM
I lurk far too much. I read loads of MDs and I think, "Pretty good," but I see little point in saying "Good update," cos I feel it's a bit pointless. I would suggest things but then I feel rude for doing so.
I would put an MD up on the forums if any of my cities remained.... (had a mahusive one... 6.7 million people, but the computer was wiped by a virus and it dissapeared....  >:( )
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on July 31, 2008, 11:32:58 PM
that soo bites there commodoreTech and I feel your pain there!!! But hey its good to see a post from a lurker and please dont be affraid to post in a MD or even start a MD from scratch....  Authors here thrive on constructive critizim....
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: JoeST on August 01, 2008, 01:41:42 AM
yeah, Comadore, the two highest posters on the forum got most of their posts from "bland" replies :D so don't worry, the author wont mind.  ::)

Joe
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: CommodoreTech on August 02, 2008, 06:19:55 AM
yeah. I'm building up another region though, save for the fact it's Maxisland.... although last time it was Berlin, and I got Konradshohe up to 400k population, Tegel up to 230k and Spandau up to like 340k or near abouts....
But meh, my new region which I started last week is doing fine, 120k pop already!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on August 02, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
Hey now Joe hehehe are you saying Im bland or get the bland replies lol  :D either way I know I can be a pain but hey its all good!!!  &apls
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: CommodoreTech on August 10, 2008, 04:31:44 AM
ahaha lol.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: builderbuiltoff on September 21, 2008, 07:57:07 AM
hi, to all yes iam a big lurker and that is because my english is not as it shut be.
thats why i not always respons on several things.
but the last year my english getting forward so i will getting more to respons,but dont blam me for my bad english.
and i wanna thank all lotters batters modders for all the great stuff on the sites they made &apls &apls &apls &apls my cities looking great thanks to you.

well good every one
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: CabraBuitre on November 06, 2008, 08:07:57 PM
I still lurk lots more than I post...  I follow lots of MD's and CJ's and though they're all good in their own ways, it takes something special for me to leave a note. 

I do, however, save lots and lots of pictures for things that inspire me.  I have saved no less than 2 GB's of pics, usually in specific genre's... canals/rivers/lakes, W2W, palaces/cathedrals, parks/plazas, transportation (esp GLR).  When you compare this to the 2.5 GB I have in my plugins it really shows how much I've saved!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: papab2000 on November 06, 2008, 09:13:11 PM
I lurk day and night! I love to lurk at all of the interesting pictures, writings, and see what people are working on. When I see something I like I comment.  ;)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: blade2k5 on November 06, 2008, 09:25:56 PM
I lurk in the shadows because I'm a predator and waiting for my chance to pounce on unsuspecting prey $%Grinno$%
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mmm11105 on November 30, 2008, 02:57:16 PM
I'm mmm11105 and I am a lurker

Why? Too lazy to comment/don't want to make a post consisting of a long form of  &apls

When? Everyday

Other sites? TONS
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Lilojame on November 30, 2008, 07:15:35 PM
I lurk around only in specific technically oriented topic where I don't know much and I try to learn. If I manage to get more knowledge from it and if I feel that the opinion on that matter would be helpful then I voice it.
I also just lurk when I really don't like something IF I am unable to give an advice on that subject. I don't want to look at bat in progress or MD and simply say that I don't like it. It wouldn't be fair towards creator if I cant try to help.
I am lurking in threads (mostly MD ones) that are long and try to see every picture and read every sentence before I voice my thoughts on the work but when I manage to see all of it then you will hear from me.
In any case, I lurk just as long as I don't have the bigger picture than the last 2 pages, so if I didn't yet voiced my opinion on your work then you should know that or I am trying to see all before I do or I didn't had the time to visit yet but eventually I shall.
Do I find myself to be a certified lurker? No, I don't.
And as far lurkers go, I don't have anything against them because each and every one has its reason for being one BUT since having my MD up there I also know how much even a simple "Hello, I seen your work" or repeating comments mean. It gives a creator a sense, that others are interested in his or hers work and with that he/she trays even better to please the viewers, give them as much as possible and get out of it as much also. I know, that when I have a bad day or when I fell unappreciated or even when somebody in RL puts me down... when I look at nice comments in my MD (I don't mean just the praises but also the constructive criticizes) it makes me feel better because then I know that at least somewhere I must be doing something at least ok and in some strange way it gives me also a little boost so that I go and confort the person that ruined my day and stand up for myself.
In any case, my belief is, that everybody deserves to hear a praise when he or she does something good or/and advice when something could be changed.
And when I download something, I also try to say at least "Thank you". Didn't managed to say that to all who created things that I downloaded from LEX but I there is this list where you can see what you downloaded and I am using it not only to see if something is updated but also to go back and leave a comment (I believe I should be up to date with that at the end of this year).

Anyhow, I am sorry for this long post... :-[

But before I stop witting I want to express the gratitude to all the Baters and Loters and Admins and Moderators and MD Creators etc. You guys are great! Thank you very much for your wonderful creations and for the superb environment that you are keeping here. Thank you for everything that I learned from you and I will learn in future, for all the help and thank you for every nice word!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Vandy on December 01, 2008, 04:36:32 AM
 $%#Ninj2  < VANDY, looking around cautiously, steps up to speak... >

Hello, All.

I'm not a newcomer to SC4D, however; I guess you could consider me a "returning member".  I tend to lurk more than I post for the simple reason that I'm still feeling feeling my way back through the "halls of the establishment" as it were.

I've been told I'm not a prolific poster, however; when I do post it is with some amount of substinance.  Myself?  I just post what and who I am without giving much thought to the content.  It seems to come out okay.

I really don't much like being a lurkey turkey.  I'd much rather post in the wonderful threads that are posted here at SC4D.  I would say that the number one compelling reason why I don't post more (especially in MDs) is that my workplace blocks most image sharing sites.  Consequently, it is quite hard to comment on a thread in which I cannot view the graphics.

What's that?  You say I could post from home?  You are absolutely correct in that statement.  The only thing that keeps me from doing that more is time.  Once I'm home from work, had dinner, cleaned up and showered, there's not much evening left.  After practicing my piano lesson and just playing for fun, there's even less time.  Well, I'm usually not doing anything from 0200 to 0400 hours so I guess I could post then...   ;)

I do want folks to know that even if I don't post in your particular thread, please know that I am reading them and enjoying all that is being posted.  I am working on a plan that will allow me to save and view threads off-line so that I can write replies and then post them.

Thanks to all who take the time and make the efforts to share a bit of yourself will the wonderful members of SC4.  I certainly appreciate you and what you do.

Regards,

Gary (Vandy)
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: zakuten on December 01, 2008, 08:14:32 AM
For me here at SC4D, I've always been rather lurky, compared to what I actually view. I wish I could be more active than I am, but for me- and it's hard to even say this coming from my position- it feels as if you don't count in SC4D unless you have position within a group. I'm also afraid to criticize for fear someone will take it badly and report me as spamming to the admins. Back at Simtropolis, when everyone was having the grand falling out, I made a post there to try to help keep things together. And it failed. That incident left me with a bad taste in my mouth for the various "teams".. I know that they produce great things, but it just seems like a giant clique network. So usually I keep my mouth shut and wish for the old days. Dramatic post, I know, and sorry.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on December 01, 2008, 08:31:36 PM
Karin you're a budding lurker coming out of her shell....

Gary I am so very glad you are coming back around after some time off and I am soo very happy to see you!!! Hey speaking of needing a work around to posting and what not Devotions has now got whats called Subscriptor you might have seen it around... what it means is that for a year you get no ads and also can save a post for later but it would be for that thread you started it in... for more info check in your profile to get a better description....

zakuten contrary to disbelief this community here at SC4D is very helpful and even if you are not in a team it dont matter at all...  Heck a lot of folks contribute no matter what IE Derry The Tea Cat he aint on "team" and he does a lot around here... its just the matter of helping out and posting more...  Dont be affraid to critize at all as long as it contructive and not harmful, no one will report you to the admins here or the staff at all... As long as you explain in detail IE hey that is great but hey can I suggest you try______...... Now talk about dramatic I am king of that one lol and I hope that I might have convinced you to try us out at least once more....

Pat
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Lilojame on December 03, 2008, 02:12:46 PM
Lol Pat, maybe, or maybe I am just a non-lurker in disguise... like a  $%#Ninj2!  :D

Hm, zakuten... I don't want to argue here or something similar but I do have to agree with what Pat already said. I am here for not so long, am not a part of any team whatsoever and in all that time, all that I got from admins/moderators/creators a very nice feeling of being welcome to be here and a helping hand with a tremendous portion of understanding. Nobody at all at this site ever gave me a feeling that I wouldn't count anything. So, please, give SC4D another chance and just go out and post constructive criticizem when you have it in your mind and I am peaty sure that most of people here will be happy for your input. Anyhow, I really hope, that you will give this site a chance.

Regards,
Karin
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: un1 on December 13, 2008, 02:57:01 PM
I'm rather different...  $%Grinno$%
I posted over 50 times one day, another day (like today) I only post once or twice.
Although, before September of this year, I lurked quite a bit. After September, I started getting more and more active... And well, here I am.  $%Grinno$%

-un1
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mitch on January 05, 2009, 02:01:21 PM
Big time lurker here coming out of the shaddows...mostly i like to look at pictures from projects like the RHW et al, from the picture competition, or the many incredible md's here. Just like looking at how creative people can be so that somday a might be able to replicate somthing similar...its all inspirational. Thanks so far for all the awesome custom content! I'll be posting more frequently to extend my appreciation!

Cheers

Mitch
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: buddybud on January 05, 2009, 11:31:58 PM
Though i have my own development thread i am a major lurker. lol. Not sure why. I love to have people comment on my stuff but i rarely comment myself. I guess i'm part lurker. Does that make me a parker or a purker or may be just plain egotistical? Na i'm just anti social...hehe

lurkity lurk
Bud
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on January 06, 2009, 01:03:41 AM
LoL Buddy its all good though, its great to have you back no matter which way we gotten you!!!  :D
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: knuckleball on February 26, 2009, 06:39:44 AM
I might be of the worst lurkers out there.  Been a member at Simtrop since 2003 and here since Nov 2007.  It's not that I don't like to post, it just that I'm more of the quiet type.
Anyway, I'll try to be more social in the future. ;) 
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: LE0 on February 26, 2009, 06:54:10 AM
I mostly lurk, and only post when I feel like it.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: frostwolf on April 02, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
[/lurk]
I'm a lurker mostly because I don't have anything worthwhile to add to a conversation, and also because I don't like getting involved in site politics. (And of course, I like being stealthy ninja  $%#Ninj2 ;)) I mostly lurk around here, because the best cities are here, but I also lurk on Simtropolis and Simpeg, and a lot of other websites not related to Simcity. Quite frankly, I don't think my fiancee would care if I told her I lurked; she'd be more likely to give me guff about the game than the lurking.

Seriously, though, I find that it's not worth my time to talk when I have nothing to say. When I have something worthwhile to talk about, I'll talk about it. When I have an MD that's anywhere near good, I'll post it. Until then...

[lurk]
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: grbac on April 03, 2009, 03:55:18 AM
How often do you lurk?
   Daily.

Does your partner know that you lurk?
   probably not and she is not interested.

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?
   Here and there. Also.

Why do you lurk?
I must say that I was a lurker, and still am but now I try to be involved in conversation even though I still feel I don't have anything smart to say. Anyway that was one of the reasons I was/am a lurker. I don't know how to bat, lot or anything like that. Hopefully I will learn to do that. So I am just a user of SC4 and Custom Content. And writing "Thank you", "I like it" and other stuff feels like spamming and if that is spamming, then yes I spam sometimes but just to show some support, and that is what some ask for. And then the last there is always a feeling of discrimination between members with xxxxx number of posts towards the members with xx number of posts. A then sometimes you just say "Nahh, better don't say anything".
As I said, I tried to change that, so I'm not so much of a lurker anymore, but I still feel like I don't have anything smart to say most of the time. Except support.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on April 04, 2009, 07:16:24 PM
Hey there grbac I am glad you have posted and I do have to say about one thing,

QuoteAnd writing "Thank you", "I like it" and other stuff feels like spamming and if that is spamming, then yes I spam sometimes but just to show some support, and that is what some ask for.

Its always good to show support for someone who is working hard on something... So if saying " great update and I liked it a lot" is spamming then I am guilty but personally I dont feel that at all... I would rather say something to someone who is working hard instead of being silent...

QuoteAnd then the last there is always a feeling of discrimination between members with xxxxx number of posts towards the members with xx number of posts.

Ive personally never seen that happen here at Devotions at all and if it does happen where the person with xxxx post treats another member with only xx post with disrespect it would get dealt with by the staff...

QuoteA then sometimes you just say "Nahh, better don't say anything".
As I said, I tried to change that, so I'm not so much of a lurker anymore, but I still feel like I don't have anything smart to say most of the time. Except support.

Fear not but fear it self and I am glad you are coming around and posting more!!! That is how the community gets to know someone.... Heck look at some of my post they is never smart, but there are times when I do put on my thinking cap and help out!!!
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: grbac on April 07, 2009, 07:22:17 AM
Thanks Pat for that encouragement. Well OK maybe if there is a discrimination, the member gets punished. Maybe I saw it/read it on some other forums(not necessarily related to SC4) but the feeling is/was there so thats why I wrote that down. Anyway I think I've overcome that by posting a few "lurk-posts" and then one thing led to another. I believe thats how everyone starts. Just that some takes it more some less time to do it.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Pat on April 07, 2009, 10:31:35 AM
Hey grbac notta problem at all there for the encouragement  :thumbsup: Its my pleasure, but if you do come across anything like that here don't hesitate at all to let a staff member know about it  :)

QuoteAnyway I think I've overcome that by posting a few "lurk-posts" and then one thing led to another. I believe thats how everyone starts. Just that some takes it more some less time to do it.

You're right about that right there grbac!!! That is how I got started here on Devotions way back when and now look at me I havent shut up since lol.... I love it here cause everyone is helpful to one and another and also very friendly too!!! Well grbac I'll catch you around on the forums,

Patrick
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: sebes on April 11, 2009, 02:32:11 AM
Quote from: Pat on April 04, 2009, 07:16:24 PM
Ive personally never seen that happen here at Devotions at all and if it does happen where the person with xxxx post treats another member with only xx post with disrespect it would get dealt with by the staff...

I totally agree with our firefighter there!  Although he has almost 4x as many posts as I have, he never looked down to me for that  :P

No seriously, I know exactly what you mean grbac. On other sites indeed sometimes a reaction is given like "who do you think you are with just 10 posts or so", also chasing me back into the lurk closet. But I cannot remember that I  ever read such a comment here. That is mainly because all forums are actively moderated. If any person, irrrespective of their own postcounting level or membership period made such a comment, he or she would certainly get a warning from the staff, and most likely the post where it happened will be deleted.

So don't fear, stay out of lurking mode now that you made the first step, and give your opinion and feedback to all persons contributing to this site! I hope others will follow your example  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: bap on April 28, 2009, 02:05:31 PM
Hi all, so this is the place where all lurkers meet each other (but would the real lurkers get out of the shadow to make a post?). As with several people, I lurk mostly because I hardly find anything useful to say or add to a discussion. I also hardly make comments on bats & lots I download because it usually takes a long time (sometimes a few months) between the time I download the bat & lot and the time it effectively appears in game in my region. The rate at which I download things is larger than that at which I implement the stuff in the game. This happens because I usually take a long time changing, modding, tweaking a given bat and translating ltext descriptions and titles until it is ready to appear in the game. By that time I usually forget to go back to where I downloaded to make a positive comment.

Quote from: sebes on April 11, 2009, 02:32:11 AM
No seriously, I know exactly what you mean grbac. On other sites indeed sometimes a reaction is given like "who do you think you are with just 10 posts or so", also chasing me back into the lurk closet. But I cannot remember that I  ever read such a comment here. That is mainly because all forums are actively moderated. If any person, irrrespective of their own postcounting level or membership period made such a comment, he or she would certainly get a warning from the staff, and most likely the post where it happened will be deleted.

I experienced something similar myself. Essentially the first time I got out of lurking mode to post anything relevant on a site was to start the (second) Prop Pox thread here. And it caused that kind of discriminatory reaction at another site. I heard (read) such "nice" things as "not being a serious, reliable player", "creating a hoax", "making horseshit", etc. One of the reasons why I decided to post that thread here and not elsewhere is exactly because I felt that SC4D is a place where people are treated kindly and respectfully, no matter how many posts they already have.  :thumbsup:

Bap
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: mike3775 on April 28, 2009, 04:43:39 PM
Why do you lurk?

Because I have little to really contribute.

How often do you lurk?

Every day.  I post every so often, and usually its in the NAM threads that interest me

Does your partner know that you lurk?

My wife would rather me lurk here then go to sites that are not kid friendly

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?

As far as Simcity sites goes, I lurk here, at Simtropolis( a few years ago I used to post a lot there and even spent time in the chat, but a mod at the time told me to go F myself when I mentioned that he had kicked someone from the chat for the wrong reason, and ever since, I have maybe made 3 posts in the years since), and even Pegs site.  Of the three, I check this site the most though
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: canyonjumper on December 15, 2009, 09:23:21 PM
When I first started on SC4D and Simtropolis, I lurked alot. But recently, I am coming out of my little hole, and posting way more. I even started an MD a few days ago :D

                            -Jordan
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Delecto on December 16, 2009, 01:25:42 AM
Why do you lurk?

-I did not feel like continually posting ... "Oh my god...Amazing...great job...when will it be available...". sometimes I'm just not inspired to write a review although I appreciate the work done by a member.

How often do you lurk?

-dramatically, almost daily!  ()sick()

Does your partner know that you lurk?

-SimCity4 is the only computer game I play regularly. So she has no problem with that.

Do you only lurk here or also on other sites?

-Also on Simtropolis and Toutsimcities, sometimes on SimPeg.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Snakepit Dave on December 16, 2009, 08:49:25 AM
Mostly just a lurker here.  But for a reason.  I've always had a theory about forums:  unmoderated forums about any topic usually bring out responses akin to graffiti in porta-potties.  Nothing to gain from that, obviously.  I used to participate in a forum about Les Paul guitars but there were certain "alpha males" who would state their opinion and then...that became the final word.  Any further insights would be lost.  Now this forum has incredible experts who have really dissected the nuts and bolts of SC4...so even though I could write an article on the development of PC Games in general (having been around the computer world since 1982) I would have trouble answering a specific question about the game despite long hours logged in "sim-phoria".  About all I could offer is "Don't put a landfill next to your $$$ neighborhood" but you knew that.  Didn't you?
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: WC_EEND on December 16, 2009, 09:03:39 AM
Well, I lurk everywhere and also very often (ironically I wasn't lurking while posting this). Why I lurk is more or less the same as Delecto's reason.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: jigsaw on January 15, 2010, 10:33:10 PM
i lurk for a multitude of reasons:

1.  to stop pointless posting.
2.  politics. it is alive and well here just like any forum on the net. there is a definate social order system thriving here. im not saying its or good or bad, it just is what it is.
3.  skills. on the scale of things, im just a player/user of content.

if the SC4 modding/Batting world was ranked like Karate im just a lowly white belt surrounded by some of the world's best 10th Dan blackbelts. so just like a noob student. i dont ask questions, or talk i sit back watch, listen and learn.
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: MOREOPTIONS on May 21, 2010, 01:30:21 AM
I enjoy lurking around here,. nice to see so many gifted people going to one place to share.  I tend to learn some about sc4d. and the game were all playing.  Am new to all this on line game and forums.  but it's cool...  as far as sites to see. i think I would have to say the sc4d has been the best from all i have been to internationally.  tho i have had a few problems with my game as i have been using plugins from around thew world.  theres still items i haven't been able to locate...  but I am sue i will one day...   I haven't found a forum that you go to when looking for things... but am sure it's here somewhere in sc4d.  Thank you everyone whom have added such creative items to the lex.  I would like to be able to add. but not sure how to bring my cad objects into the lex.  as a Contractor in Kuwait. I have so many buildings in my cad. and would love to be able to see some in here...   well.. I said enough.. God Bless...   $%Grinno$%
Title: Re: To lurk or not to lurk
Post by: Lowkee33 on November 17, 2012, 08:03:48 AM
Expect some thread necromancy today :)