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This is something that we ( The VIP Team , Yann particularly ) have in mind and  I've already Modded a first MMP using 20 of Vnaoned's models as following :

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Yann is currently testing its handiness while I've also planned 3 others MMPs of 20 signs each using Girafe's signs ...

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And Citymax too has created some beautiful signboards which could be modded as a MMP as well :

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So a total of 5 MMPs using 100 various signs ...
The advantage of such MMPs is obvious ( Bye bye Lots ... ) but I can't hide the inherent problematic of such MMPs ; the orientation of plopped items isn't controllable and I can't multiply ( x2 , x3 ) the same examplars to give it more chance to get the desired orientation without creating a 40 or 60 stages MMP , which doesn't sound wise ...  $%Grinno$% So I'll stick with a single examplar for each sign , and so users would have to be particularly patient and tenacious .  :P

The poll is a quite simple way to show your interest ( As everybody , we need motivation ) , but if you have some more thoughts and/or suggestions , you can post them here .

Thanks for your cooperation .  :thumbsup:

VIP Team .

Hi Cedric,

First, thanks for your kind comment on my thread, I really appreciate your comment :thumbsup:

For sure, for the European people this will be a really great addition for the game, we need more signals
for our European cities, not only for the highways, we need this signals in the secundary roads and the
nationals roads.

Thanks once again for the VIP team and thank you for your work about simcity 4, you make possible a
lot of things for us  &apls &apls &apls

PD: Of course, I voted "  Yes of course "  $%Grinno$%

Jonathan

[roadgeek mode]
To be exact, "French Signage MMP" would be a more appropriate name, since the signs (especially directional signage) varies quite a lot between European countries.
[roadgeek mode]

With that being said, it looks great! :thumbsup:  And I'll surely vote "Yes, off course!" (a roadgeek will aways be a roadgeek ;) )

Best,
Maarten

Wow that's amazing!!!Having MMP signs and lot based ones is incredible! :thumbsup: YES OF COURSE!!!! &apls

Honestly I'm of the opinion that road sign-age as MMPs as opposed to lots is the preferred method.  You can 'plant' the MMPs where you want/need them, where lots severely limit their use (and take up a ton of space in my already crowded parks or landmarks menus). 

Diagonals would still present challenges, but no more so than signs on lots do.

OK , you can keep on voting but the first results & comments are  meaningful enought ( Thank you ! ) ; these MMPs will be done and uploaded ASAP.

Quote from: mrtnrln on December 16, 2011, 08:33:28 AM

To be exact, "French Signage MMP" would be a more appropriate name, since the signs (especially directional signage) varies quite a lot between European countries.

Maarten

Indeed Maarten , but as far as I know , Girafe's set is the most complete and valuable one . (Each MMP will be a separated dat file , by the way .)

Now , if someone has a particular releazable request ( with a linked prop pack ... ) for his/her country , I'll do it as well . I learnt the MMP Modding a year ago and have created or reworked  ( fifty-fifty ) no less than 130 MMPs since , as for the VIP Team than for my own use ...   ::)
Well , the result is that , with that kind of training , it doesn't take me more than 20 minutes to Mod a 20 items MMP like those ( Icon creation included ) , in fact the planning can be longer than the Modding , depending how the models nomenclature is complicated ( by choice ) or is a little far-fetched (from their author )...

So , do not hesitate to request ! ;)

Cédric.

(Sorry for the « double post » )

Modding finished ... so the VIP European (French Type) Roads Signage Pack is a pack of 5 MMPs ( 121 signs ) as following ;

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Some necessary works from my team mates ( Yann for testing , Girafe and Orange_o_ for verifications and packaging ) and then , upload to the STEX .

Well , no one has any request  ()what() , even the 2 "Maybe"(s) ?  ;D

Too bad ...  $%Grinno$%

Cédric.

I think I will have a hard job to check these things ::)

You don't keep my stop panel  :bomb:

Anyway good job  ;D

Just a little request: from the speed limit signs, can you also make the following ones with these values?

5, 10, 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120

(the ones in bold text are pretty common outside France, like in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands).

Unfortunately, I don't have the models myself, so I think the original creator (in this case Girafe) would volunteer to do it.

Oh and this set might be interesting to convert to MMP:
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25654-swedish-motorway-exit-signs/
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/22834-swedish-road-signs-pack-2/
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/22813-swedish-speed-limit-signs/
Best,
Maarten

Quote from: Girafe on December 18, 2011, 10:07:18 AM

You don't keep my stop panel  :bomb:

Anyway good job  ;D

your stop signs is now included in MMP No. 4

hehe, thanks my rabbit  :)

awesome idea!

May I leave a suggestion?  ::) Can you make the cycle repeat it self when we get to the last sign? you can do this by setting the cluster id of the last prop to the first prop in the list.  :thumbsup:

I ask this because if you by mistake pass one sign ahead, you have to delete it, which in city areas (and in rural areas) could mean to bulldoze some building\lot.  &idea

Good evening everyone,

Thank you for your support.

Gn_leugim your idea is excellent, so far we do not know aps MMP create endless, nevertheless we have provided a solution to get closer to your request.

The last prop is invisible, so it's easy to plop continued to have the right prop for the better. thank you for your request.

Badsim launched the idea on December 16, December 19 we are and you can download this mod here.





For your information, this mod requires patience and a lot of patience, with a little patience.

Remember, this idea was badsim

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I got a question here, is it possible to explain which file is which, because the filenames aren't the same than what's written on the pics and it gets confusing having different names for files and pics. Keeping the same name is a lot easier on the Player. Thanks.


VIP_Fantomepiece-0x5ad0e817_0x5bf6a813_0x30000
VIP_Grfe_DangerSignageMMP
VIP_Grfe_RegulatorySignageMMP
VIP_Grfe_VariousSignageMMP
VIP_VV_FrenchDirectionSignageMMP
VIP_Citymax_DirectionsSignageMMP

On the pics they are all called Signage and MMP's with numbers.....???? Example, which one is Girafe's Nr2 file?
Fred


Edit: Forget it, I figurred it out with openening the files in the Reader. Maybe if you guys put numbers on the pics, it would be a good idea to have the same in the file's name also. (a suggestion, maybe less confusing) ;)

Quote from: gn_leugim on December 18, 2011, 12:27:12 PM

May I leave a suggestion?  ::) Can you make the cycle repeat it self when we get to the last sign? you can do this by setting the cluster id of the last prop to the first prop in the list.

Sounds more than interesting , in fact it would be revolutionary ... I've never seen such endless MMP so far ( or they should be all Modded that way !  ::) ... ) . The only thing I've tested was to add a Cluster Radius property to the last examplar ( normally they haven't any ) of the sequence  , linking it to the first examplar and the result is indeed an endless MMP , but then the first examplar of the sequence only is working . So , if you've precisions to offer , that's time to do it !  :)


Well , Orange_o_ has found another trick , as astute than efficient : the last examplar of the sequence is an invisible model , so , with only a very light gap of your mouse ( due to my kSC4FloraParametersPropety modding ) , you can start a new sequence ... That gives a lot more chances to finally get the desired model with the proper orientation .  &idea

I'm going to spend some time to add that "ghost piece" to all my MMPs ...   ?=mad)=

Quote from: mrtnrln on December 18, 2011, 10:29:07 AM
Just a little request: from the speed limit signs, can you also make the following ones with these values?

5, 10, 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120

(the ones in bold text are pretty common outside France, like in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands).

Unfortunately, I don't have the models myself, so I think the original creator (in this case Girafe) would volunteer to do it.

Oh and this set might be interesting to convert to MMP:
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25654-swedish-motorway-exit-signs/
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/22834-swedish-road-signs-pack-2/
http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/22813-swedish-speed-limit-signs/
Best,
Maarten

I can't speak for Girafe , but I heard you , Maarten , this Swedish MMP will be done . A single MMP should be enough as , at the first look , these 3 packs seem to have between 20 and 25 models altogether  .  :thumbsup:

Quote from: mrbisonm on December 18, 2011, 05:17:06 PM

Edit: Forget it, I figurred it out with openening the files in the Reader. Maybe if you guys put numbers on the pics, it would be a good idea to have the same in the file's name also. (a suggestion, maybe less confusing) ;)

Sorry for the confusion Fred , that's hard to be perfect ...  :P . Another light change has been made with Citymax MMP , the 4 last examplars have been removed because they were requesting a prop pack too badly modded ( with models not showing , duplicated models , wrong nomenclature etc . So finally we didn't consider it as safe enough  ::) ) .

Quote from: Orange_o_ on December 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM

For your information, this mod requires patience and a lot of patience, with a little patience.

Remember, this idea was badsim

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()lurker()

Keep your bad intentions for Yann who is the true initiator of this work !  :P  $%Grinno$%
Thanks a lot David for your precious expertness , once more . &apls


Cédric.

Quote from: Orange_o_ on December 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
Good evening everyone,

Thank you for your support.

Gn_leugim your idea is excellent, so far we do not know aps MMP create endless, nevertheless we have provided a solution to get closer to your request.

The last prop is invisible, so it's easy to plop continued to have the right prop for the better. thank you for your request.

Badsim launched the idea on December 16, December 19 we are and you can download this mod here.

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For your information, this mod requires patience and a lot of patience, with a little patience.

Remember, this idea was badsim

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I can make and provide you with an exemple of how I made cyclicle MMP ;)

Quote from: gn_leugim on December 19, 2011, 02:31:45 AM

I can make and provide you with an exemple of how I made cyclicle MMP ;)

We are truly impatient to have a closer look at your Modding , gn_leugim   :thumbsup: :

You've got a PM ... ;)

Cédric.

This is really helpful for those crowded areas where lots are no good, this is a better method for signage as it is. Great stuff guys \ ;D/

If you are taking requests I might have a little one for you :)

I feel these would be nice as an MMP :) http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/24291-modern-british-sign-pack/ (http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/24291-modern-british-sign-pack/)

Thank you so much for this awesome modding :)

As reminder , I wanna say : that's David (Dedgren) who has shown that idea first in 3RR ... a long time ago ! He's the true precursor . ;)

OK , DanniBee , I will release an English Signage version too , as soon as I'll have more informations from gn_leugim about endless MMP Modding , which would be - and far ahead ! - the best solution ...  ;)

Cédric.

Oh, if you're going to do overhead signage too, why not this set:

http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25830-german-autobahn-signs-for-rhw-4-x/

It's the most complete directional signage set available at the moment.

Best,
Maarten

Excellent work guys!  &apls

I'm also curious to see if gn_leugim's cyclical technique can be integrated into other VIP MMP work--sounds promising!

Maarten's requests would be useful to me as well  :thumbsup:

The vote looks like a plebiscite .... so let's go on . :)

@ mrtnrln (and riiga ) ; the Swedish Signage MMP is available .

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I've used all riiga's models , so this is a 20 stages MMP ( 20th being a ghost piece ) , stages order as following :


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Zip file attached at the end of this post ( you can't see it with a guest status ) Of course , you need the dependencies linked by Maarten on the previous page .

Having still nothing to study from gn_leugim , this MMP has been made with Orange_o_'s method ( a ghost piece at the end of the sequence ) . I don't know how to proceed from that point :  it could be considered as a Beta version , but I'm rather sceptical about  an endless cycle MMP  modding ... In that case , it will be the definitive version and could be uploaded on the STEX as a part of a VIP European Various Countries MMPs Signage , with the English and German signage MMPs I'm going to build as requested by DanniBee and Maarten .

That said , I'll still ready to study any other request . ;D

Cédric.

May I propose also my polish set?  ::)
http://www.simcitypolska.pl/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=137

I could also make extra direction signs (small pack made by bkl is avaible
http://www.simcitypolska.pl/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=215), or convert some of them (or all) into diagonals if you have enough time. And if you think it would be reasonable.

@Badsim
Awesome work Cédric!
I need to make a full set of Swedish signs some day though, seeing as the props aren't as high quality as I would like, but I can only blame myself for that. :P

@ riiga  : Just do it and I will follow you !  ;D

@ kbieniu7 : I need to remember my Loggin settings at Simcitypolska , but it shouldn't be an incontrovertible problem ....  ;D

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mrtnrln UK MMPs are ready for testing ... I need your collaboration for that , because I'm working with a virgin Plugin Folder to go faster , and , to tell you the truth , I'm not a specialist of RHWs ....  $%Grinno$% . Report here any encountered problem ...

Zip file attached at the end of this post ( Of course , you need the dependency linked by Maarten on the previous page )

Like the previous one , these 2 MMPs have been made with Orange_o_'s method : a ghost piece at the end of the sequence .

Coming next : the German set ... I'll still ready to study any other request . ;D


Cédric.

^^ You spelled my nickname wrong  $%Grinno$%

I will test the UK ones for any problems, thanks so much again ViP team, you are the best  ;D

I have replied and sent the information I gathered after some hours remembering and trials as this thing, if I recall, I found it some years ago, at least 2 years. so I ha to do some homeworks ^^

I have to say I bring one good new, and a bad new. But I'll way for some official VIP reactions to say further  ::)

@ mrtnrln :  $%Grinno$% That's not an easy nickname for someone dyslexic !  :D ( I didn't know that I was ... &Thk/( )
Well , my apologies , Maarten , that's another good reason to make Beta versions  ;D... Everything should be right , now .  :P

Quote from: gn_leugim on December 20, 2011, 11:20:37 AM
I have replied and sent the information I gathered after some hours remembering and trials as this thing, if I recall, I found it some years ago, at least 2 years. so I ha to do some homeworks ^^

I have to say I bring one good new, and a bad new. But I'll way for some official VIP reactions to say further  ::)

I have received your PMs , thank you Carlos , so finally , that's like I said on the previous page :

Quote from: Badsim on December 19, 2011, 01:24:06 AM

Sounds more than interesting , in fact it would be revolutionary ... I've never seen such endless MMP so far ( or they should be all Modded that way !  ::) ... ) . The only thing I've tested was to add a Cluster Radius property to the last examplar ( normally they haven't any ) of the sequence  , linking it to the first examplar and the result is indeed an endless MMP , but then the first examplar of the sequence only is working .

I have tested many things since and nothing works so I confirm that I'll stick with Orange_o_'s method ...

Thank you DanniBee !  :thumbsup:

Cédric.

For the time being, it only works with one item, and not a full chain, but is still a good matter to try on some more deeper trials :p

I'm trying out some of the MMPs and I'm experiencing one major problem: it's hard to let the signs point in the right direction, it just happens at random. Any tips for this?

Quote from: mrtnrln on December 20, 2011, 12:10:18 PM
I'm trying out some of the MMPs and I'm experiencing one major problem: it's hard to let the signs point in the right direction, it just happens at random. Any tips for this?

Start a new sequence after the ghost piece ... the kSC4FloraParametersProperty is modded to allow several  new sequences as close to the same place than possible ...  ;)

Cédric.

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As suggested by Maarten , pitti's German RHWs Signage MMPs are ready for testing , Zip file attached at the end of this post , dependency at Simtopolis : http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25830-german-autobahn-signs-for-rhw-4-x/ (http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25830-german-autobahn-signs-for-rhw-4-x/)

More than ever , these 4 MMPs are touchy to use , as most of these models are offset ... I've done my best to be logical with these 4 sequences , making their use as easy than possible . ::)

Before to go further with these MMPs , and before to see arise there any controversy , I feel that's necessary to give some precisions .

As I'm discovering pitti's ( and some others) work on the STEX , I'm discovering the complexity of SC4 roadgeeks ( that's how they call themselves  :P ) life ... After a lot of patience to build their R.highways networks with the tab. key , they have to scroll through tens and tens of signs LOTs available in their menus ... These MMPs have to considered as complementary but , in any case , they will not replace LOTs . You'll certainly spend as much time with them , clicking to get the desired sign with the proper orientation as you would have , scrolling to find the corresponding LOT ... right . Not to speak that the pros and cons will be mainly of question of personal preference ( after have LotEdited hundreds of LOTs for my own use , in my opinion MMPs are a godsend ) , they will allow you to plop signs on already occupied places . I've also discovered , with Citymax's directional signs , that night lighting is lost with MMPs ... good to know , as I haven't time to check myself among all this stuff , what has night lighting or not ... ::)

MMPs modding is quite simple and rather quick to do ... but so boring when it come to mod so , hundreds of models . So consider that I'm working for those who intend to use them knowing the pros and cons , but I will not waste my time to explain , justify , convince , or simply repeat endlessly what I've already wrote , and so I will request you to read that whole thread before to post and to post  suggestions , advices or intrinsic MMPs problems ( it has some bugs or not , as simple as that ) only . From that point , I'll release all requests ... ;)

You can also contribute to that works , providing me translations for   LTEXT files in their respective language ... write them directly there and I will use Copy/Paste . Thanks ! :thumbsup:

Coming next : the Polish signage set , linked here by kbieniu7 ...


Cédric.

I can happily report that the British set work fine. I have been able to get every sign to sit in the right direction (with a lot of mouse clicks :P) and they can look really great overhanging onto a sidewalk. Thank you very much ViP team and have a great Christmas :D

Great work with those MMPs :) Didn't tryed them yet but as soon as I can... Thanks Cédric :)

@ kbieniu7 : Sorry for the delay ... I've been busy and I'll be busy with RL for the 3 next months , but the promised Polish signage MMPs ( LOTs for advanced planning are done ) are my priority and will done in the coming days . Thanks for your patience . ;)

@ DanniBee and Benoit , Thank you ! :thumbsup:


Cédric.

Nice work on these signs, especially the UK ones. ;D

Are you planning on making any more UK signs, as there are plenty more that would make excellent MMPs. ;)

^^ He didn't do modeling himself (actually I did), but he's just converting them to MMPs...

Cédric, it doesn't matter! I'm not impatient in any way, because I now, modding and creating some stuff need time and RL is more important. I'm very grateful to you for modding them, so rather I should say "thanks"  ;)