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Amazing job dedgren.
It baffles my mind how you manage to find time to do all that terraforming and still find time to post here! :)
Its fascinating to see how you are prgressing with the region and getting to see how you have made all the decisions.
Definetly one of the most interesting CJ's here.
;D
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hey david my friend thats a great region view the terraforming is excellent[/data][/row]
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Dear David-the Zealot-,
That roaring fork image is just great. It is exactly how a satalite image is supposed to be. I get a googleearth feeling from looking at this terraformed land. Great work. Realy worth the effort.
So once you finished this map. Any thoughts about the future? Getting marries, having kids
......oh, what'd say, they are still there?
They must realy love you, showing so much patience, on the other hand, it's snow covered Alaska where could they go? (for once a reason why people would want to live there..... ;) ;D
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Everything as been said and I agree with most of what I've read.
so I won't bother saying that you're nuts, everybody realized that! I want for example that Mona Lisa pulling her ears! :D
I won't say that that map will be, in fact, already is, "THE MAP" on simtrop, nope I won't.
I also won't say that any sane person would tackle such a task, you can refer to my first point on this one.
I won't bother.... nope I won't $%Grinno$%
As I won't bother saying that I'll be back to see more of it!
But I'll say this,
Take care my friend![/data][/row]
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Robert (KingTitan) who is now a 3RR Regular* despite the fact that he continues to lurk on the CJ...
...come out- Robert. come out and have some fun with us...
...wrote a nice PM where, after he was way too kind to 3RR, he asked
Quote....where can I get that specific snow mod. do you have a link to get me there directly so I am not searching all over the place? Right now Im using the cheat code "snow", and it doesnt look right to me.......please help.?
Of course, I PM'd him right back with the linkie...
...Guilt. It's guilt. You're feeling guilty about all those nice folks who've written you and you continue to ignore at your peril......'hem!... I PM'd him right back with the linkie, but his post made me think- what's up with that "game" snow anyway?
Well, since I'm at home waiting for the hot water heater folks...
...yeah, wotta day yesterday- the Dems took over congress and my hot water heater cr-pped out......I thought I'd take a little time and take a look into the "game" snow cheat that has been brought to light by
buggi in his Extra Cheats DLL thread [ linkie ] (//http://). Is it as bad as Robert would make it out to be? Let's see- I'll present...you decide.
Here's the 3RR area we'll use as our testbed, up in the heart of the Northern Range in the northeast corner of the region.
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We'll be looking at the effects of "game" snow in Quads 31 and 47, as one has by and large much higher elevation than the other.
We'll start by turning on the snow cheat in Quad 31.
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I'm using the DLL made available by
buggi to list the cheats from a good old standard [ Ctrl ][ X ] cheat box. You can accomplish the same thing if you haven't downloaded and installed the DLL by typing "snow" in the cheat box and pressing [ Enter ].
Now, I'm not going to go through a big, long description here of how I've set this up or what is happening. Suffice it to say that, over about six months of "game" time, the cheat gradually brings the snow line down lower and lower in elevation. It reaches its maximum extent in the dead of "game" winter, then retreats back up the hill and mountainsides. By mid-spring, all the cheat snow is gone. Note that some of the snow, though, will remain as it is permanent snow created as the result of the use of
jeronij's Columbus Snowcapped Lower mod, which is discussed on 3RR page 41 here [ linkie ] (//http://)]. I'll only do fall into winter- you can see winter into spring by scrolling upwards from the last pic...
...it's just amazing how that worked out...So here we go.
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This is pretty much all snow from
jeronij's mod.
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First snowfall. Looks pretty good at this point.
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Still pretty subtle, but parallel lines (I'll call 'em "jaggies.") are starting to appear at the lowest extent of the snow line.
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Definitely November or early December. The jaggies definitely do not look good on open terrain.
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Woot! That must have been a dumper! The jaggies are definitely not good.
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Lower...
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Now that's snow machine [ linkie ] (//http://) country...
n.b.: I have never heard anyone who has lived in Alaska more than five minute refer to a snow machine as a "snowmobile."
Let's look at the lowest elevation of the quad down in the southeast corner.
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That's as far down as the "game" snow gets.
Moving on to Quad 47, I'll do three shots. The first is "summer" i.e.: no "game" snow.
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Here's snow halfway down.
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Those jaggies do bug me, Robert.
Mid-winter snow line.
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The flatter the lowest snow-covered area, the worse the jaggies get.
So, setting aside the appearance issue, how low in elevation does "game" snow come down to?
Here's our contour lines ([ Ctrl ][Shift ][ C ]) with no "game" snow on the ground.
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And here they are with the snow at its lowest extent.
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That's right down to almost the first contour line above "game" water level. That level is 250 meters (about 800 feet). The contours are 64 meters (about 200 feet) apart [ linkie ] (//http://) so use of the snow cheat will bring snow at its maximum point down on everything above that level. Recalling that I have arbitrarily set the game water level in 3RR at 900 feet (275 meters)above mean sea level, that means in the dead of winter I would get snow down to about the1,100 foot (335 meter) elevation level.
I don't know if there would be a way, perhaps in ilive's Reader, to vary this. It may be hard-coded, like tunnels. It would be interesting...
...whoa, like an SC4 science experiment......to bring it all the way down to the "game" water level. Would game water then freeze? Someone will figure this out, mark my words.
As for the jaggies- trees- lots of trees- come to mind. I'll leave that today for you to check out if your interested, as...
...I have a date with the hot water heater guy.Later.
* A 3RR Regular is anyone who has ever commented (that's right, even once) on 3RR. Since I've done Robert's commenting for him, in effect, by quoting from his PM, he's now a 3RR Regular...
...hey, I'm the boss here, and I brook no guff! Dems 'da rules![/size][/data][/row]
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Damned jaggies! Well, whatever, I don't use snow in my regions anyhow. My regions are a bit closer to home [ linkie ] (//http://). Heh heh, sorry, just wanted an excuse to use the "linkie"...
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Wow! I never knew about the contour lines!
Thanks for sharing all this with us!text... [/data][/row]
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This is all great info! and if it weren't for your cj, I would never have found all those cheats!
Great work![/data][/row]
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Hello David (I hope I'm not being too personal for my first post),
Just wanted to say that after lurking for a very long time, your CJ has inspired me to get back into the game. Thanks also for pointing me in the direction of AVR which then led me to Paradise Falls. The three of you (dedgren, darmok and jacquilina) have reminded me of the fun that can be had with SC4. As for the latest update (there is no way I could comment on all 42 pages), I love the variety you have in this region. Thanks again, and I hope not to be such a stranger anymore.[/data][/row]
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Thats quite a bit of snow there!! sooo are we gonna see a water mod?? cuz you know if you have a special request ill be more than happy to mod it for you ;)!! great work and very informative, loving every bit!![/data][/row]
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The Northern central & eastern areas of the map look great, especially the rivers (the eastern branch of the roaring fork area in particular). The snow is a very interesting thing (and evidently, one of the cheats not quite finished). As far as someone putting it to sea level, I'll give it about a month to completion (1.5 months at most). Now keep up these ground breaking developments and inquiries into the deeper parts of the game, and get these things terraformed so the contributory development can commence. Incidentally, I'm a bit surprised at the election results. I expected some change but I was expecting it to be on incumbents in general and not so much pure republican replacement, although it is good to see good turnover on both sides. Looking forward to the finished product. [/data][/row]
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WOW!! I need this, sorry, but now i can't post much, i'm in the school, see you, David.[/data][/row]
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Fascinating! :D
How can you make something so mundane seem so interesting.
Nice little experimental update.
;D :thumbsup:
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