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Offline djp

Workingman Productions (WMP) & SC4Tools websites and content
« on: January 22, 2019, 10:50:10 AM »
Hello lovely SC4D people :)

I have been looking after Peter Rorlach's (DocRorlach) sites since his passing and have pretty much left them alone and sitting on my server gathering dust - everything has still been accessible to the community and apart from the annual domain renewal price there isn't really any reason for me not to continue the statue quo.

My reason for posting is to see if there is a better home for these sites or if there is even a need for them to still exist at all??
Traffic numbers are low compared to the good old days, but the sites are still in use so I am happy to continue hosting them.

They do look a little dated, but still fully functional as far as I am aware - none of the email address have been in use for a while so I would not have received any messages if there were issues.

I have backups of everything online and on my PC, so there is no chance that everything can be lost as happened at SimPeg

Does anybody still use any of the sc4tools?
I'm not sure if the download and installation catalogue (DIC) even works with Win10 - it would be nice to know if it is a usable piece of software for the community still.

I also have numerous backup files from Peter containing various gmax files and other files that may be of use to others


http://sc4tools.co.uk/

http://workingman-productions.co.uk/

Any comments or suggestions on the future of these sites would be appreciated.


David

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Offline fantozzi

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 11:48:49 AM »
I felt a shiver through my neck when I saw your avatar. I'm a big fan of DocRorlach's stuff (https://community.simtropolis.com/files/file/31497-rural-docklands-expansion-rde/). I think the wmp exchange is still used and someone takes care of it for memorial purpose, I guess, but overqall the SC4 community became smaller and we have to be glad for every undertaking to keep things together and to remember those pioneers that made SC4 more than one of those "come-and-go-games" to us.

Historical awareness on SC4 is still something young and sometimes childish  but it grows. There are custom content creators, now 15 years on this game - and they discover they have a cutline, a tall tale. SC4 has a history and part of this history is already covered with dust.

I joined community in 2009 and would feel honored to know more about the times before I came active. To know mre about Doc Rorlach.

 

 
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 11:54:08 AM by fantozzi »
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Offline djp

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 01:49:52 PM »
Hi Fantozzi,

Apologise for unintended shock ;D

That expansion set looks really good, I have been out of the loop for so long that I have lost touch with anything anybody has done recently :(
anyway, if you feel like doing anything else I have a load of Peters old design files that may be of use to you.

I started sorting though his old backup drives to upload as Ron (Rivit) was interested in them, but RL took over and I didn't really get very far.

If there is interest I will dig out his old HDD and go through things


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Re: Workingman Productions (WMP) & SC4Tools websites and content
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 02:15:43 PM »
Hi djp

You are definitively doing a huge service to the community by keeping those files still available for download  &apls

If and when you have the Doc's original gmax files dug up, I would not mind a copy to keep in my vault. Who knows, perhaps I could give life to some of them thus allowing the community to enjoy some of his unreleased content.

I have made a few things myself....

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Offline Silur

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 01:21:21 AM »
Hi djp
You wrote about the beautiful things of the WMP team. I thought I had everything. But now I have to look at it again. I also want to have unreleased GMaX models. Thank you for your messages and good luck.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 01:23:46 AM by Silur »

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Offline fantozzi

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 04:23:14 AM »
I started sorting though his old backup drives to upload as Ron (Rivit) was interested in them, but RL took over and I didn't really get very far.

If there is interest I will dig out his old HDD and go through things

Same thing here. Still many ideas, still delight spending time with the game but they won't let me. RL ...

I guess, my children they think it's some sort of behavioral problem, they have to keep old Fantozzi away form the game, it's not good for his mental health if he spents so much time with a silly game at his age. I'd always thought, when you become adult you can do all the things freely that you had to hide when you was a little boy. No way. Nothing did change - like mother didn't let you have some privacy even under the blanket in your childhood now it's your own children checking your fridge and your PC if there is something "insane" to worry about. And  if there is porn, maybe it would be okay, but there is SC4 and they are worried. Mother said: "don't do this son, it's weakening your mind." Now your children say: "don't play so much SC4 dad, it weakens your mind." Once priests gave ethics. Now fitness-trainers give ethics. And – strange thing – I always find myself on the wrong track. 

Sorry. I became distracted. I don't have max, only gmax and I guess the original models are better in the hands of Simmer2. I even like this.

When I made the Rural Dockland Expansion there wasn't most of Nick's props and I just had started batting. I want to redo the whole RDE project and making use of Simmer2 content. So to my personal interests this would fit perfectly if I could ask Simmer2 for some DocRorlach stuff.

But if there is any dockland related props in your posession I would be highly interested. As soon as I have finished my urban street pack I'll making a completely new version of the RDE. I would also be glad to add some lot dedicated to DocRorlach, some kind of monument or prop related to him, a "DocRohrlack Square" something like this, so inside the game he would have his own place.  If you have any idea for this please let me know.

Thank you. 
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Offline matias93

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 09:01:46 AM »
Super brief comment because I'm at the office right now, but yes, the DIC indeed works perfectly with Windows 10, and is still really useful. I've done some low-key campaign to motivate others to use it, but I cannot say for sure if it has had effect.

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Offline djp

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 09:51:20 AM »
Thanks for your replies, it looks like there is still interest in Peters work - which is good to hear &apls

I'll have a look through his old archives when I get a chance and see what is in there, I do not think there is any unreleased content ()sad() - just design files for things that have already been released.
I don't know how these things are assembled to work in the game, but hopefully what I have is useful :thumbsup:

it's good to also hear that the DIC behaves itself with Win10, hopefully the same applies to the other tools

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 10:32:31 AM »
... none of the email address have been in use for a while so I would not have received any messages if there were issues.

David

Hi David!

I tried to make contact via the comments@workingman-productions.co.uk email address one month ago (regarding Doc's contents and the usage of Doc's contents), but my email came back with an error message, that "the email address can not be found or it is not able to receive any emails". I don't know how it would look like in english, since I use my gmail in hungarian, so this was the best translation about the error message what I received.
Anyway Ron (Rivit) helped me out in that matter.
Atm I quite busy with some NAM path modding stuffs, but I also have background projects with STEX and LEX admins organizing contents on the exchanges. I think I have downloaded all Doc's contents from the WMP site and I made a little organizing work on my end for my use (better folder structure, merging called prop packs, take out the duplicate and redundant essential and texture files etc...), so if you plan anything similiar or eventually you plan to bring those contents to other exchanges (or in the case of the STEX contents would consider an update - these "changes" - what I made for myself for my back-up collection - are not affecting on the modding or functional part of the uploads) I would be happy to help. Also I'm interested in getting those gmax files, if it's possible :)

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Tyberius
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 10:50:34 AM »
... none of the email address have been in use for a while so I would not have received any messages if there were issues.

David

Hi David!

I tried to make contact via the comments@workingman-productions.co.uk email address one month ago (regarding Doc's contents and the usage of Doc's contents), but my email came back with an error message, that "the email address can not be found or it is not able to receive any emails". I don't know how it would look like in english, since I use my gmail in hungarian, so this was the best translation about the error message what I received.
Anyway Ron (Rivit) helped me out in that matter.
Atm I quite busy with some NAM path modding stuffs, but I also have background projects with STEX and LEX admins organizing contents on the exchanges. I think I have downloaded all Doc's contents from the WMP site and I made a little organizing work on my end for my use (better folder structure, merging called prop packs, take out the duplicate and redundant essential and texture files etc...), so if you plan anything similiar or eventually you plan to bring those contents to other exchanges (or in the case of the STEX contents would consider an update - these "changes" - what I made for myself for my back-up collection - are not affecting on the modding or functional part of the uploads) I would be happy to help. Also I'm interested in getting those gmax files, if it's possible :)

Kind Regards,

Tyberius

Hello Tyberious,

Apologise that you could not make contact directly, unfortunately when I changed servers and swapped the domains over the email address that had been setup did not transfer so no longer accepted incoming emails - I think I will set these up again so at least there is a point of contact for the WMP site.

I am happy that Rivit was able to help you out with this matter and am 100% happy for Rivit to do whatever he feels best for this content (especially in my absence ;D)

It may be a good idea to update the STEX uploads and also add all the content to the LEX as well, I will take you up on your offer of help here :thumbsup:

I best get on sorting these files, just hope there is something useful.

David



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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2019, 03:39:35 PM »
Hi djp. A huge thanks for keeping Peter's content alive and available for all of these years - docRorlachs work was really lovely  :)

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Offline djp

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2019, 09:29:33 AM »
Hi djp. A huge thanks for keeping Peter's content alive and available for all of these years - docRorlachs work was really lovely  :)

Thanks Matt,

no problem with hosting Doc's work - as nobody has suggested an alternative I will continue the status quo and when I get sorted with other things I can add all the files to the STEX & LEX as well with the help of Tyberious :thumbsup:

I have a large archive of gmax files and have also found SC4DESC & SC4MODEL files - are these any use or would they all have been accessible via any published content??

What is the best way of getting these files to people who are interested in them??


David

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Offline fantozzi

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 05:52:12 AM »

I have a large archive of gmax files and have also found SC4DESC & SC4MODEL files - are these any use or would they all have been accessible via any published content??

What is the best way of getting these files to people who are interested in them??


David

My five cents: with Simmer2 and Tyberius you would have two very good counselors regarding the needs of judging, preparing and organizing custom content. The best way is to upload it to the LEX, the file exchange. Maybe (pm with Tarkus) it's possible to make an general team acoount for "Working Man Productions"?

I thing the stuff shouldn't be uploaded all at once and all in one - it's much more work, of course, but also more dedication, to present each piece in a proper way with description and pictures. In the past there where big packs uploaded with almost no info - and mostly tghey become forgotten. If going public nice presentation and proper description is needed. That's where you may need help but just pm one of us.

But first things have to be sorted. This may be the hardest task because there are different approaches that work and very quick you may discuss about matters of taste.

The basic principle of sorting a big bunch of stuff is always the same (it was first described as a relationship between "genus" and "species" by old greek philosopher Aristotle) - you're to find the genus of species and set them as categories to more refine categories.

A basic introducion, I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Avpz-mXU0 But I think the guy misses point to explain how to prove predicates of being a genus-species-relation?

The problem is there are two general approaches - you can sort the stuff thematically or you can sort the stuff technically (and more). And both methods will conflict. For example you make three pots with the themes: residentials, industry, commerce. And you make three other pots with the technical type of data: dependency, bat, lot. Suddenly you will discover that the pots don't work together - the dependency pack could also be in the residential pot or industry pot - where to put it?

These are the basic problems of taxonomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy) and always the biggest challenge in organisation. So the questions is to find a fitting taxonomy to organize the SC4 stuff. Which even makes up a great part of many debates about dependencies plugin-folder organisation etc. If this "taxonomy" or "classification" is done things become more easy.

Blablabla ...  :blahblah: &Thk/( ... to summarize - custom content of general interest should be uploaded to one of the two international file exchanges. It should be uploaded with proper description/documentation and in a "easy to use form" and therefore has to be edited/curated and therefore should be sorted, classified first.

Hope this makes sense.     
« Last Edit: February 03, 2019, 05:56:35 AM by fantozzi »
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