NO CO$$$ Development

[njdevil995]

I have the same problem, my CO$$$ just refuses to grow My desirability is as bright green as it can get and i have done all the possible fixes mentioned on this thread. I too would also like to know how to tweak the CO$$$ desirability threshold with ilive's reader so i can hopefully fix this problem.

However, I do notice that some people that have this problem is also running windows 7 like I am; i only ran into this problem when i got my new computer. i tried several strategies to test this and my problem is only fixed when i remove CAM

Could Windows 7 be conflicting with CAM?

[evilbob]

I have the same problem, my CO$$$ just refuses to grow My desirability is as bright green as it can get and i have done all the possible fixes mentioned on this thread. I too would also like to know how to tweak the CO$$$ desirability threshold with ilive's reader so i can hopefully fix this problem.

I, too, am using win7.  I looked for a tutorial on how to use ilive's reader however it was dated back in 2003, i think, and no longer available for download.  Seems to be the only solution left short of them coming out with cam 2.0. 

Also, i did notice if i completely surround each individual building with medium - large parks, the office will in fact grow, despite previously being all green desirability.  I can't imagine that being intentional in CAM.

[travismking]

Theres nothing in the CAM that is OS dependent, so I cant see how its conflicting with Windows 7, but you never know. Tage may know better but I highly doubt it. Also, in the CAM its much more important to have very high desirability and traffic in the area with the CO $$$ development, It will NOT develop on a road with low traffic

[evilbob]

It will NOT develop on a road with low traffic

Probably not the problem we're having.  In fact as a test I set some commercial down along the main avenue with the highest traffic flow with no luck.  Wasn't until i physically encased them in plazas that they grew.  Now, if that's the "very high desirability" you're referring to and that CAM is working as intended to require such conditions, that's a different thing all together.  Still would like to be pointed to a tutorial on how to use ilive reader to adjust that down a notch, though.

[njdevil995]

My city is littered with plazas and only little stage one or two CO$$$ will grow like 1 tile away and never upgrade. And for traffic... i have avenues full of traffic and commercial zoned on them, yet its made up of only CS$$, CS$$$, and CO$$. i pretty sure im not doing anything wrong in terms of gameplay and CO$$$ is fine without CAM, so i dont know where to pinpoint the problem.

[travismking]

just a question, I dont know if its relevant, but have you guys merged simcity_1.dat and the cam file? I havent seen this problem since I did this.

[evilbob]

just a question, I dont know if its relevant, but have you guys merged simcity_1.dat and the cam file? I havent seen this problem since I did this.

I did.  Changed ColossusAddonMod_1.0.dat  to zColossusAddonMod_1.0.dat and merged with SimCity_1.dat.  Renamed said dat to SimCity_1.dat and placed it in the root folder of my install.  Removed the CAM.dat from my plugins.  Load up game... Demand still goes up to 24k and other buildings still build so cam is running from the new file alright but, problem is still there.

Only other thing i can mention is windows 7 as mentioned previously, oh, and i'm running off a steam purchased copy though thats never given me any problems before.

I also ripped out z_cam's folder with promote walking i had previously been using.

[travismking]

Im not sure then, maybe Tage can give you an answer when he sees this, I'm sure he is sleeping now :p

[jmyers2043]

Remember that all demand is regional. Things that are happening on one city will have an impact on others.

CO$$$ - are you talking about stage 3 CO$$$ or are you trying to get a Stage 11 CO$$$ to grow?

But before you answer - the best thing you can do to help with an answer is to take a screen grab of the census repository ... the query provides a lot of information about your city and region.

http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=1831



- Jim

[evilbob]

Remember that all demand is regional. Things that are happening on one city will have an impact on others.

CO$$$ - are you talking about stage 3 CO$$$ or are you trying to get a Stage 11 CO$$$ to grow?
- Jim

Right now i'm merely trying to get any CO$$$ to grow.  I didn't realize until i created my new city that they had not been developing anywhere in the region.  Admittedly i've never built a region using cam before.

[njdevil995]

just a question, I dont know if its relevant, but have you guys merged simcity_1.dat and the cam file? I havent seen this problem since I did this.

I did merge the simcity_1.dat and cam, which takes care of the doubling bug, but not my CO$$$ bug

CO$$$ - are you talking about stage 3 CO$$$ or are you trying to get a Stage 11 CO$$$ to grow?
- Jim

Im talking about your initial CO$$$ like Todd and Co. or Jenkins Consulting. but i forgot that the buildings cant upgrade if they didnt reach the stage density, since my CO$$$ just refuses to grow

[RippleJet]

evilbob and njdevil995, could you both do the following:

• Download and install Maxis' Extra Cheats by Buggi
• Ctrl-Alt-Shift-query (keep all those buttons pressed while you query) a lot you think should have good desirability for CO$$$
• That will create a Query.txt file, the content of which you should post here for analysis

That would verify whether the desirability is high enough for CO$$$ in the first place.

[njdevil995]

This is in my Downtown


|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Query info for cell (168, 147) on 5/26/2024
|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Lot: (167, 147) 4x2, south-facing, state: occupied new, configuration: CS$$$8_4x2_600044f0
| Jobs $171.1 $$82.8 $$$22.1 - Travel Jobs $171 $$83 $$$22
| Building: CS$$$60x30_7ChiRitzy_0529, 297 $$$
| Occupancy--building (tract): Cs$ 0% (0%), Cs$$ 0% (0%), Cs$$$ 93% (100%),
| Zoned: C###
| Altitude: 284.8
| Land value, intrinsic: 48, total: 255 (High)
| Slope: 0.0
| Powered: yes
| Watered: yes
| Traffic Volume: 69   Traffic Congestion: 0
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 0 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 1 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 2 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 3 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 4 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 5 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 6 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 7 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 8 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 9 (total = 0):
|-----------------------------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$
|   desirability = base value: 68
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 5.6): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(425): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(0): 12
|   + Water pollution effect, f(47): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 25
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 25
|   + traffic effect, f(69): 0
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(162): 10
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 140
|  
| As calculated last cycle for tract (42, 36)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  10730
|   Desirability:      137
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$
|   desirability = base value: -3
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 5.6): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(425): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(0): 25
|   + Water pollution effect, f(47): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(69): -11
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(162): 20
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 131
|  
| As calculated last cycle for tract (42, 36)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  8500
|   Desirability:      124
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$$
|   desirability = base value: 1
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 10
|   + slope effect, f(value: 5.6): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(425): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(0): 40
|   + Water pollution effect, f(47): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(69): -34
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(162): 30
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 147
|  
| As calculated last cycle for tract (42, 36)
|   Population:        229
|   Existing capacity: 229
|   Maximum capacity:  1530
|   Desirability:      140
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Co$$
|   desirability = base value: -27
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 5.6): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(425): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(0): 25
|   + Water pollution effect, f(47): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(69): -9
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(162): 20
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 109
|  
| As calculated last cycle for tract (42, 36)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  10760
|   Desirability:      104
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Co$$$
|   desirability = base value: -65
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 10
|   + slope effect, f(value: 5.6): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(425): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(0): 40
|   + Water pollution effect, f(47): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(69): -20
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(162): 30
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 95
|  
| As calculated last cycle for tract (42, 36)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  21970
|   Desirability:      89
|
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| Last successful C build
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| Last failed Cs$ build
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| Last failed Cs$$ build
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| Last failed Cs$$$ build
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| Last failed Co$$ build
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| Last failed Co$$$ build
|
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[njdevil995]

This is in my Midtown


|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Query info for cell (46, 100) on 5/26/2024
|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Lot: (45, 100) 3x2, south-facing, state: occupied new, configuration: CS$$$4_3x2_60002a30
| Jobs $46.5 $$22.5 $$$6.0 - Travel Jobs $46 $$22 $$$6
| Building: CS$$$40x24_3EuroLuxuryStore3_0629, 78 $$$
| Occupancy--building (tract): Cs$ 0% (0%), Cs$$ 0% (0%), Cs$$$ 96% (100%),
| Zoned: C##
| Altitude: 284.8
| Land value, intrinsic: 48, total: 255 (High)
| Slope: 0.0
| Powered: yes
| Watered: yes
| Traffic Volume: 21   Traffic Congestion: 0
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 0 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 1 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 2 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 3 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 4 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 5 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 6 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 7 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 8 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 9 (total = 0):
|-----------------------------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$
|   desirability = base value: 68
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(131): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(6): 11
|   + Water pollution effect, f(17): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 25
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 25
|   + traffic effect, f(21): -8
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(99): 9
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 130
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (11, 25)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  1288
|   Desirability:      130
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$
|   desirability = base value: -3
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(131): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(6): 24
|   + Water pollution effect, f(17): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(21): -20
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(99): 19
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 120
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (11, 25)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  264
|   Desirability:      119
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$$
|   desirability = base value: 1
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 10
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(131): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(6): 39
|   + Water pollution effect, f(17): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(21): -39
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(99): 29
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 140
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (11, 25)
|   Population:        48
|   Existing capacity: 48
|   Maximum capacity:  200
|   Desirability:      139
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Co$$
|   desirability = base value: -27
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(131): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(6): 24
|   + Water pollution effect, f(17): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(21): -16
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(99): 19
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 100
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (11, 25)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  1200
|   Desirability:      100
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Co$$$
|   desirability = base value: -65
|   + land value effect, f(value: 255): 10
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(131): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(6): 39
|   + Water pollution effect, f(17): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(21): -23
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(99): 29
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 90
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (11, 25)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  572
|   Desirability:      89
|
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|
| Last successful C build
|
|-----------------------------------------------------------
|
| Last failed Cs$ build
|
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| Last failed Cs$$ build
|
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| Last failed Cs$$$ build
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| Last failed Co$$ build
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| Last failed Co$$$ build
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[evilbob]

Here is my commercial district.

Edit - Wish i had access to cam 2.0 beta in order to see if this problem persists in the newer version.





|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Query info for cell (116, 82) on 11/17/2012
|-----------------------------------------------------------
| Lot: (117, 81) 2x3, north-facing, state: empty, configuration: none
| Jobs $0.0 $$0.0 $$$0.0 - Travel Jobs $51 $$64 $$$13
| Zoned: C##
| Altitude: 273.0
| Land value, intrinsic: 13, total: 230 (High)
| Slope: 0.0
| Powered: yes
| Watered: yes
| Traffic Volume: 209   Traffic Congestion: 0
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 0 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 1 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 2 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 3 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 4 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 5 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 6 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 7 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 8 (total = 0):
| Edge Density Matrix for travel type 9 (total = 0):
|-----------------------------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$
|   desirability = base value: 68
|   + land value effect, f(value: 230): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(76): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(23): 11
|   + Water pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 25
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 25
|   + traffic effect, f(209): 15
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(5): 0
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 144
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (29, 20)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  3864
|   Desirability:      144
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$
|   desirability = base value: -3
|   + land value effect, f(value: 230): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(76): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(23): 22
|   + Water pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(209): 15
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(5): 1
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 135
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (29, 20)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  408
|   Desirability:      136
|
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|
| Desirability equation for Cs$$$
|   desirability = base value: 1
|   + land value effect, f(value: 230): 8
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(76): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(23): 36
|   + Water pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(209): 13
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(5): 1
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 159
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (29, 20)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  240
|   Desirability:      160
|
|----------------------------------------
|
| Desirability equation for Co$$
|   desirability = base value: -27
|   + land value effect, f(value: 230): 0
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(76): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(23): 23
|   + Water pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(209): 12
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(5): 1
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 109
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (29, 20)
|   Population:        270
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  1428
|   Desirability:      110
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| Desirability equation for Co$$$
|   desirability = base value: -65
|   + land value effect, f(value: 230): 8
|   + slope effect, f(value: 0.0): 0
|   + R$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + R$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + Co$$$ proximity effect, f(0): 0
|   + park effect, f(76): 0
|   + Air pollution effect, f(23): 36
|   + Water pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + Garbage pollution effect, f(0): 50
|   + Radiation pollution effect, f(0): 0
|   + school effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + hospital effect, f(1.0): 0
|   + crime effect, f(0): 50
|   + traffic effect, f(209): 8
|   + trip length effect, f(255): 0
|   + landmark effect, f(5): 1
|   + transient effect, f(0): 0
|   = 88
|   
| As calculated last cycle for tract (29, 20)
|   Population:        0
|   Existing capacity: 0
|   Maximum capacity:  1716
|   Desirability:      89
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[RippleJet]

Oh dear... I have really made it too darn difficult to grow CO$$$ in CAM...
It's strange this wasn't found during beta testing some four years ago...

On the other hand, Buggi's Extra Cheats and the knowledge of the Query.txt wasn't available back then either.

In CAM, the desireability threshold for CO$$$ to grow in the first place is a massive 120 (raised from 50).
In your cities above the CO$$$ desirability is 95, 90 and 88.

Without transient aura effect, the maximum achievable CO$$$ desireability is:

• Base Desireability   -65
• Land Value Effect    +10
• Air Pollution Effect +40
• Garbage Pollution    +50
• Crime Effect         +50
• Traffic Effect       +24
• Landmark Effect      +30
•                     ----
• Total Maximum       +139

Since it's more or less impossible to simultaneously have a maximum air pollution effect and a maximum traffic effect,
it's also virtually impossible to grow CO$$$ without Transient Aura Effect.
Transient Aura Effect is a maximum of +100, fades away over 5 months and is achieved by plopping flora and civic buildings.

I'm enclosing a fix to this post where the CO$$$ growth threshold has been reduced to 85.
Place the file, ColossusAddonMod_1.0_FixForCO$$$.dat in the a_CAM folder.

Let me know if you get CO$$$ growing with this.

[evilbob]

Oh dear... I have really made it too darn difficult to grow CO$$$ in CAM...

Let me know if you get CO$$$ growing with this.

As i browse through my regions bringing up the desirability in commercial areas, i notice that it typically hovers for me (with liberal use of plazas) in the 70s.  So, in order to make it noticeably more difficult for CO$$$ to grow, I'd probably lower to to 80.  That way you have to want it to grow in your area without plopping down landmarks every other block, (though i did finally get them growing along a main avenue with mass plaza and forcing heavier traffic with your patch.

I would also think, for CAM 2.0 that you might want to design multiple patches, perhaps, to choose upon install.  A sort of Easy - Medium - Hard difficulty settings for these CO$$$ buildings to better suit the individuals playstyle.

-edit- and if you're lookin for a beta tester for your 2.0, consider this an application~

[Gringamuyloca]

RippleJet

This post, along with the 1000 million other responses posted by our 'SC4 gurus', never fails to 'blow me away'!!
No matter how innocuous the subject, there is always an open mind on the other end.... that is willing to share!


Thank you, thank you, thank you all!

[dziki333]

Great news! It should be annouced for everyone who using CAM. 

[njdevil995]

Let me know if you get CO$$$ growing with this.

Thanks a lot RippleJet this fix is working just fine now . i would like to have access to the CAM 2.0 as well but im not a technical wiz so i'd just be wasting space